PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds EXEC 'Contemplating Action' Over Similar Fortnite Battle Royale Mode - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52709059]I'm genuinely curious who could hire the better lawyers.[/QUOTE] The ultimate guilty or not guilty fight

[QUOTE=Strontboer;52708682]Yeah because PUGB invented Battle Royale. Maybe they should also go after the hunger games, or arma for that matter[/QUOTE] "Hunger games" Are you for real Running man? Battle Royale? [editline]22nd September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DinoJesus;52709059]I'm genuinely curious who could hire the better lawyers.[/QUOTE] All they have to do is mention chest kicking and the pubg guy will crumple like paper and shit his britches

Honestly, to play the devil's advocate, I can kinda see where Bluehole is coming from. While not exactly brand new concepts, the circle mechanic, the plane drop and stuff seem pretty copy pasted. [editline]23rd September 2017[/editline] Though I'm not too knowledgeable about mods or whatever that used stuff like the circle beforehand

[QUOTE=Novangel;52709290]Honestly, to play the devil's advocate, I can kinda see where Bluehole is coming from. While not exactly brand new concepts, the circle mechanic, the plane drop and stuff seem pretty copy pasted. [editline]23rd September 2017[/editline] Though I'm not too knowledgeable about mods or whatever that used stuff like the circle beforehand[/QUOTE] H1Z1 had a circle of gas (and was even partially created by PLAYERUNKNOWN, NOT Bluehole), pretty sure The Culling also had a circle mechanic. As well as loot drops, this isn't new at all.

[QUOTE=DaDillsta;52709403]H1Z1 had a circle of gas (and was even partially created by PLAYERUNKNOWN, NOT Bluehole), pretty sure The Culling also had a circle mechanic. As well as loot drops, this isn't new at all.[/QUOTE] Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

The engine they're using is owned by the company they're trying to sue. Maybe this isn't such a good idea.

It's kind of sad really. I thought about checking out PUBG at some point despite not really being into the whole "Battle Royale subgenre." It was picking up a shitload of players, so I thought it must have been doing something right over all the other attempts. And then the stream sniping incidents and shitty bans happened. And then they added lootcrates you could pay for. While the game is still in early access. And now they're getting buttmad over another company trying their hand at the BR subgenre. The company just so happening to be Epic Games, the CREATOR OF THE FUCKING ENGINE THEY USED TO MAKE PUBG. All of these incidents just leave nothing but an even more sour taste in my mouth concerning PUBG, and the game has only been out for 6 months. If the developers keep continuing down this road they're going on, I wouldn't be surprised if PUBG ends up dying like every other attempt at this particular subgenre before it.

[QUOTE=Untouch;52709608]The engine they're using is owned by the company they're trying to sue. Maybe this isn't such a good idea.[/QUOTE] And the company they're considering suing is owned by Tencent, which is one of the biggest companies on the planet and basically Chinese Google.

This asshole just keeps looking for excuses to not work on his game.

get over yourselves, your game is better anyway

Epic is using this not to add to Fortnite's Success but the unreal engine's success. Consider that the royalties epic gets for PUBG using UE ensure that Epic wants them to be successful. Epic slapped together this variant of PUBG in a game they happened to be working on (a 4 player co-op game) and it runs fine with 100 players. They then plan to release this mode (and Fortnite in its entirety) at a later date this year for free. Doesn't that make Unreal 4 look quite appetizing to any would be developers out there who wish to ride the coattails of Bluehole? All the while Epic gets the royalties. Even if by some miracle they remove the mode from Fortnite all the business they get will more than have made it worth it. [QUOTE]Once you've begun collecting money for your product, you'll need to track gross revenue and pay a 5% royalty on that amount after the first $3000 per game per calendar quarter.[/QUOTE] Anyone want to do the math there? [sp]Assuing each of the 11,000,000 copies sold for $30 ignoring any additional fees and payments, epic received around $17,939,176 just for being the engine on which the game was made[/sp]

All of that happened because the higher ups around PUBG must feel like they got the golden eggs chicken and now they are protecting it as hard as they can. Problem is, they do it the wrong way. They take it way too seriously in problems that aren't that big and that aren't even related to them, but related to players and their interactions. Don't want stream sniping? Don't tell anyone in which match you are. The tk incidents were blown way out of proportion aswell. The loot crates however.. They're just there to make people play for their luck and keep the game at record levels of playerbase, which IS a bit scummy, in a game that is far from fully optimized and finished.

[QUOTE=DaDillsta;52709403]H1Z1 had a circle of gas (and was even partially created by PLAYERUNKNOWN, NOT Bluehole), pretty sure The Culling also had a circle mechanic. As well as loot drops, this isn't new at all.[/QUOTE] Again, king of the kill is Brendans work. Almost every 'imitator' is buly the same guy and if Epic are branding themselves as pubg but for consoles no shit hes gonna go after that considering pubg on consoles will be launching sooner than later

This just screams "we are afraid that they'll be good competition :(((" to me and makes me interested in Fortnite if Pubg devs actually think they are that much of a threat to them. They wouldn't be threatening them if the game wasn't good.

honestly i want a refund for pubg because right after i bought it they added lootboxes and did dumb moderation shit Killing floor 2 did the same thing with lootboxes and i got a refund when it left early access because i didnt want to participate in that. hopefully i can get one for PUBG. honestly i hope they do something absolutely hilarious to fuck over pubg harder, like open sourcing the battle royale gameplay to every unreal engine dev (like epic basically open source'd unreal tournament) or allowing people to heavily mod it to basically be its own game.

I think that the funniest thing about this is that in the super short development period for the Fortnight mode, they managed to make a Battle Royale game that runs infinitely better and is actually stable in comparison to PUBG

[QUOTE=Zeos;52710248]I think that the funniest thing about this is that in the super short development period for the Fortnight mode, they managed to make a Battle Royale game that runs infinitely better and is actually stable in comparison to PUBG[/QUOTE] Yeah because they built it on a game that's been in development for 6 fucking years so no shit it's more polished and finished. The BR gamemode in Fortnite is pretty damn basic, adding a mode like that to an existing game doesn't exactly take as much time as making a completely brand new game. [editline]23rd September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;52710193]honestly i want a refund for pubg because right after i bought it they added lootboxes and did dumb moderation shit Killing floor 2 did the same thing with lootboxes and i got a refund when it left early access because i didnt want to participate in that. hopefully i can get one for PUBG. [/QUOTE] Or you could just not participate in it, by, you know, not participating in it and ignoring it completely? I has zero effect on the actual game itself. [editline]23rd September 2017[/editline] Also the argument of "well other games ripped off his work before so why should he suddenly be allowed to do something about it now?". All those games and modes before specifically ripped off his Arma 3 gamemode, not just Battle Royale. There's enough things that the Arma 3 mod has from real BR that makes it more of its own thing.

[QUOTE=simkas;52710254] Or you could just not participate in it, by, you know, not participating in it and ignoring it completely? I has zero effect on the actual game itself.[/QUOTE] I bought the game for the expectation that I can have fun without worrying about possible micro transactions. Adding microtransactions after my purchase feels like lying to me about the game. It changes how the entire game works psychologically from “oh a fun game to play with friends” into a “I gotta grind so I don’t have to pay for fictional boxes and avoid temptation” situation. It doesn’t help that they lied about when they would add boxes, making me trust them even less. [url]https://steamed.kotaku.com/battlegrounds-will-add-loot-crates-and-skins-but-not-u-1794936527[/url]

[QUOTE=Wii60;52710356]I bought the game for the expectation that I can have fun without worrying about possible micro transactions. Adding microtransactions after my purchase feels like lying to me about the game. It changes how the entire game works psychologically from “oh a fun game to play with friends” into a “I gotta grind so I don’t have to pay for fictional boxes and avoid temptation” situation. It doesn’t help that they lied about when they would add boxes, making me trust them even less. [url]https://steamed.kotaku.com/battlegrounds-will-add-loot-crates-and-skins-but-not-u-1794936527[/url][/QUOTE] But you don't have to worry about micro transactions, they're all 100% optional. And you're talking about loot boxes that were already removed, as of right now the only thing in-game that can be bought with real money are keys for crates that can't be bought normally outside of trading.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;52709766]This asshole just keeps looking for excuses to not work on his game.[/QUOTE] The fuck are you even on about? They just dropped a large content patch last week and are still doing bug fix/maintenance patches every other week. You'd be hard pressed to find any recent game aside maybe Rust that has a similar frequency of support these days.

Updated the title, you guys all fell for IGNs sensationalist bullshit. It's a Bluehole executive who is getting pissy at more competition, not the development team.

Apparently this issue is more about Epic using PUBG for their promotional material and not because of the game mode itself, [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1579690"]if this article with the VP is anything to go by.[/URL] [QUOTE=C.H. Kim, Bluehole VP]It was just a bit surprising and disappointing to see our business partner using our name officially to promote the game mode[/QUOTE]

Do they realise the last time a dev threatened Epic with lawsuits, they just just managed to get their game nuked? Epic can just take the license away. They probably wont because the game is making them millions, but point is Pubg isnt in a position of threatening Epic. It's the other way around. While yeah he's saying it's because Epic used Pubg as marketing but good luck prooving that in court, and you just know it's really because they are angry competition might steal their numbers, and have now fire under their ass to fix the game before people leave for a more stable experience. It gives them a petty winner look. It's a buggy ass game, costs $30 and has gambling micro transactions in early access and youre the one calling Epic greedy? Cm'on. Go buy yourself a yacht with the micro transaction money or smt.

[QUOTE=Loth;52712195]Do they realise the last time a dev threatened Epic with lawsuits, they just just managed to get their game nuked? Epic can just take the license away. They probably wont because the game is making them millions, but point is Pubg isnt in a position of threatening Epic. It's the other way around. While yeah he's saying it's because Epic used Pubg as marketing but good luck prooving that in court, and you just know it's really because they are angry competition might steal their numbers, and have now fire under their ass to fix the game before people leave for a more stable experience. It gives them a petty winner look. It's a buggy ass game, costs $30 and has gambling micro transactions in early access and youre the one calling Epic greedy? Cm'on. Go buy yourself a yacht with the micro transaction money or smt.[/QUOTE] I haven't read the whole agreement for use of Unreal4 but here are some choice entries in the EULA (of which some may be debatable in court) This one sticks out [quote]Epic may use your trademarks, service marks, trade names, and logos used with any Product, as well as publicly released screen shots and video content from the Product, in connection with Epic’s marketing, advertisement, and promotion of the Unreal® Engine in any and all media without restriction.[/quote] These are of some consequence to the other claims they made [quote]C. Termination for Patent Action. The Agreement will terminate automatically as of the date you commence any claim that the Licensed Technology infringes a patent, or otherwise support any claim by a third party that the Licensed Technology infringes a patent.[/quote] [quote]D. Effect of Termination. Upon any termination, the Epic Licenses will automatically terminate, you may no longer exercise any of the rights granted to you by the Epic Licenses, and you must destroy all copies of the Licensed Technology in your possession and cease distributing any Products developed under this Agreement. Within 30 days of termination, unless otherwise agreed by Epic, you must destroy all Products in your inventory.[/quote] The above would tie into this [quote]19. Class Action Waiver You agree not to bring or participate in a class or representative action, private attorney general action, or collective arbitration related to the Licensed Technology or this Agreement. You also agree not to seek to combine any action or arbitration related to the Licensed Technology or this Agreement with any other action or arbitration without the consent of all parties to this Agreement and all other actions or arbitrations.[/quote] So all-in-all they are walking through a minefield here if you plan any action against EPIC. While these terms are implicitly about Unreal Engine, once in a court the legalese in the agreement can be bent a bit either way. For instance the first one with the layout of the comma structure we could interpret "...in connection with Epic’s marketing, advertisement, and promotion of the Unreal® Engine in any and all media without restriction." as meaning epic's -Marketing -Advertisement -Promotion of the Unreal Engine where only the last item is specific to the Unreal engine

Who cares if we're the most played game right now. Who cares if we invented a game-play loop that millions of people find exhilarating. None of this matters when [I]other people[/I] profit from it. It's not about the impact on culture or the gaming experience it's about [I]us[/I] getting the money from it! Has anyone at Bluehole even played a video game before? Do they even care how blatantly anti-consumer they look? It makes them seem like one-hit-wonders that are aware of their own incompetency. As if they know they don't have what it takes to make the best version so they [I]have[/I] to be the only one.

the battle royale portion of fortnite will be free forever starting tomorrow [URL="https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/fortnite-battle-royale-goes-free"]https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/fortnite-battle-royale-goes-free[/URL]

Pretty sure the entire game is going to be F2P eventually.

How irrational and illogical can you get?

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52717466]Pretty sure the entire game is going to be F2P eventually.[/QUOTE] hella convenient timing for them to hit the news considering that, though, BlueHole might have just accidentally summoned the Streisand Effect

I was considering buying PUBG before this. Good job losing potential customers, retards.