The people who hate him disgust me more than his arrogance.
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[QUOTE=joost1120;53190346]The people who hate him disgust me more than his arrogance.[/QUOTE]
Every....
Fucking....
Shkreli thread...
[QUOTE=joost1120;53190346]The people who hate him disgust me more than his arrogance.[/QUOTE]
u got some weird priorities there buddy
I see this thread is divided on hating him and NOT hating him...
Would someone mind summarizing what GOOD he's done? (In your own words, show your work)
[QUOTE=joost1120;53190346]The people who hate him disgust me more than his arrogance.[/QUOTE]
Care to give a thoughtful analysis of why we shouldn't criticize or hate your idol?
Or you just doing a drive-by shitpost to piss everyone off?
[QUOTE=joost1120;53190346]The people who hate him disgust me more than his arrogance.[/QUOTE]
Talking shit about some dickhead getting sent to prison is more disgusting than ruining people's lives and possibly condemning them to death for being poor?
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;53190364]u got some weird priorities there buddy[/QUOTE]
What? A man being arrogant is a lot less disgusting to me than several guys being glad he's imprisoned, up to the point of saying "Good, fuck him". There's nothing wrong with wanting him imprisoned for breaking a law, but the way some people voiced their opinion make me think they need a psychologist.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53190372]Talking shit about some dickhead getting sent to prison is more disgusting than ruining people's lives and possibly condemning them to death for being poor?[/QUOTE]
Narcissism is a hell of a drug. Can convince anyone you're not a slimeball waste of genetic material with just enough gaslighting.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;53190367]I see this thread is divided on hating him and NOT hating him...
Would someone mind summarizing what GOOD he's done? (In your own words, show your work)[/QUOTE]
His youtube channel has tons of informative stuff about finance and chemistry. it isn't some candlestick type bullshit either.
This week in finance: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buYG1UtH1f8[/url]
introduction to finance: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARrNYyJEnFI[/url]
I would count these hours and hours of lessons and communicating with fans and helping people learn as "good". This isn't an exhaustive list, it's just some examples that I believe show he isn't a complete dick who hides in the shadows.
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[QUOTE=Uber22;53190361]Every....
Fucking....
Shkreli thread...[/QUOTE]
What do you honestly expect? people always had less popular views of shkreli in this forum y'know
[QUOTE=joost1120;53190374]What? A man being arrogant is a lot less disgusting to me than several guys being glad he's imprisoned, up to the point of saying "Good, fuck him". There's nothing wrong with wanting him imprisoned for breaking a law, but the way some people voiced their opinion make me think they need a psychologist.[/QUOTE]
Being happy a criminal is being imprisoned = you need a psychologist.
What riveting, rock-solid arguments here!
[QUOTE=joost1120;53190374]What? A man being arrogant is a lot less disgusting to me than several guys being glad he's imprisoned, up to the point of saying "Good, fuck him". There's nothing wrong with wanting him imprisoned for breaking a law, but the way some people voiced their opinion make me think they need a psychologist.[/QUOTE]
He's going to prison for 7 years, likely in some minimum security prison where he'll be more comfortable than most US prisoners, many of whom are nowhere near as shitty as this guy and will still have his wealth when he leaves. He isn't being subjected to extreme torture and then death, lol.
Look, he's done some really horrible shit and is a conniving and smug shithead, but don't [I]hate[/I] him! That's even worse!
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Good. Hope he comes out of prison as a better person.
[QUOTE=Scot;53190163]lmao, comparing shkreli to escobar and bin laden
He did what almost every other pharmaceutical company has done before him. It's fairly standard practice and it could be argued that Shkreli has actually put an end to it, even if that wasn't his intention.
Not to say he isn't a twat (he basically lied and stole his way to the top) but to put him up there with bin laden is just fucking retarded. If you're gonna be mad at something be mad at the system that allows these price hikes to happen.[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair Pablo Escobar was just doing what other drug lords had done before him. It's standard practice in the industry.
[QUOTE=Scot;53190163]lmao, comparing shkreli to escobar and bin laden
He did what almost every other pharmaceutical company has done before him. It's fairly standard practice and it could be argued that Shkreli has actually put an end to it, even if that wasn't his intention.
Not to say he isn't a twat (he basically lied and stole his way to the top) but to put him up there with bin laden is just fucking retarded. If you're gonna be mad at something be mad at the system that allows these price hikes to happen.[/QUOTE]
Where is the comparison? And even if there was one, a comparison is not an equation so I don't really get what you are so upset about here, he was illustrating the point with exagerated examples, not "putting him up there with bin laden".
Unless you count mentioning both in the same post as "put something up there" .
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53190372]Talking shit about some dickhead getting sent to prison is more disgusting than ruining people's lives and possibly condemning them to death for being poor?[/QUOTE]
Oh boy here we go.
Shkreli did not condemn anyone to death. He didn't ruin anyone's lives. His biggest crime was to steal from rich people while lying to their face.
The entire Daraprim thing was coated in a thick layer of misinformation, smear-campaigns and sensationalism, so I'm going to do my best to clarify the situation so people stop claiming Martin Shkreli is so bad the only way to rationalize his actions is to compare them to such infamous figures as Bin Laden, Al Capone and Pablo Escobar:
The price increase of the drug did not have a direct negative effect on the wallets of the few people who still have to use those meds in America because the company also set up a program which essentially pushed the cost onto insurance companies: if you cannot afford the medication yourself, they'll give it to you and have someone else pay for it, which is a standard measure for most companies handling very expensive drugs.
So, no, Shkreli didn't kill anyone and he didn't ruin any lives. No one ran out of meds because the evil smug man made it too expensive for them. The worse effect this has had is create a form of monopoly on the drug which was already more or less present seeing as barely anyone was bothering with producing and distributing this incredibly niche drug to begin with. It's incredible to me how hard this disinformation has persisted ever since this came to light and so many people have managed to add extra layers of bullshit to it over time.
There's a reason the legal shit that Shkreli got caught up in had ultimately nothing to do with Turing Pharmaceuticals. He's not a good person and he's a criminal but to this day the Daraprim thing is [I]still[/I] completely misunderstood.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53190492]Oh boy here we go.
Shkreli did not condemn anyone to death. He didn't ruin anyone's lives. His biggest crime was to steal from reach people while lying to their face.
The entire Daraprim thing was coated in a thick layer of misinformation, smear-campaigns and sensationalism, so I'm going to do my best to clarify the situation so people stop claiming Martin Shkreli is so bad the only way to rationalize his actions is to compare them to such infamous figures as Bin Laden, Al Capone and Pablo Escobar:
The price increase of the drug did not have a direct negative effect on the wallets of the few people who still have to use those meds in America because the company also set up a program which essentially pushed the cost onto insurance companies: if you cannot afford the medication yourself, they'll give it to you and have someone else pay for it, which is a standard measure for most companies handling very expensive drugs.
So, no, Shkreli didn't kill anyone and he didn't ruin any lives. No one ran out of meds because the evil smug man made it too expensive for them. It's incredible to me how hard this disinformation has persisted ever since this came to light and so many people have managed to add extra layers of bullshit to it over time.
There's a reason the legal shit that Shkreli got caught up in had ultimately nothing to do with Turing Pharmaceuticals. He's not a good person and he's a criminal but to this day the Daraprim thing is [I]still[/I] completely misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
How exactly does that make what he did okay? He was playing around with our country's fucking medicine just to make some extra bucks? I have not yet seen him attempt to make the world any better for the climate he contributed to, so he has yet to redeem himself no matter how many youtube videos he makes.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53190492]Oh boy here we go.
Shkreli did not condemn anyone to death. He didn't ruin anyone's lives. His biggest crime was to steal from reach people while lying to their face.
The entire Daraprim thing was coated in a thick layer of misinformation, smear-campaigns and sensationalism, so I'm going to do my best to clarify the situation so people stop claiming Martin Shkreli is so bad the only way to rationalize his actions is to compare them to such infamous figures as Bin Laden, Al Capone and Pablo Escobar:
The price increase of the drug did not have a direct negative effect on the wallets of the few people who still have to use those meds in America because the company also set up a program which essentially pushed the cost onto insurance companies: if you cannot afford the medication yourself, they'll give it to you and have someone else pay for it, which is a standard measure for most companies handling very expensive drugs.
So, no, Shkreli didn't kill anyone and he didn't ruin any lives. No one ran out of meds because the evil smug man made it too expensive for them. It's incredible to me how hard this disinformation has persisted ever since this came to light and so many people have managed to add extra layers of bullshit to it over time.
There's a reason the legal shit that Shkreli got caught up in had ultimately nothing to do with Turing Pharmaceuticals. He's not a good person and he's a criminal but to this day the Daraprim thing is [I]still[/I] completely misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
It is hyperbole, but that "pushing it onto insurance companies" is honestly also just a tired sound bite. Insurance companies don't fund themselves. And remind me (because I honestly don't remember), when were those programs set up? And who were applicable? Iirc, some groups would actually end up paying quite a bit regardless.
Whether anyone was killed or ruined as a result of the price increase also doesn't change that buying up cheap drugs like that and then turning the price up to 11 is a scummy ass way to make money. I know you basically said as much, but still, these people don't care about how their money smells at all.
Edit: Maybe I'm using hyperbole wrongly there, because people do believe that was how it was. Anyway, you get what I'm saying.
Edit edit: Though really you're kinda delving into the same shit by claiming anyone said Shkreli was bin Laden 2.0.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53190501]How exactly does that make what he did okay? He was playing around with our country's fucking medicine just to make some extra bucks? I have not yet seen him attempt to make the world any better for the climate he contributed to, so he has yet to redeem himself no matter how many youtube videos he makes.[/QUOTE]
he's going to prison for defrauding investors, not for his medicine price hike.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;53190514]he's going to prison for defrauding investors, not for his medicine price hike.[/QUOTE]
We're discussing whether he's an asshole, not whether his assholistic tendencies were actually illegal. At least as far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53190504]It is hyperbole, but that "pushing it onto insurance companies" is honestly also just a tired sound bite. Insurance companies don't fund themselves. And remind me (because I honestly don't remember), when were those programs set up? And who were applicable? Iirc, some groups would actually end up paying quite a bit regardless.[/quote]
The programs were set up early enough for no one to have had to sell their house to buy their medicine. And from what I've seen, and from what Skreli said, the requirements are low enough for a wide majority of the country to be able to have access to it.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53190504]Whether anyone was killed or ruined as a result of the price increase also doesn't change that buying up cheap drugs like that and then turning the price up to 11 is a scummy ass way to make money. I know you basically said as much, but still, these people don't care about how their money smells at all.[/quote]
I agree that it's scummy, but I'm just pointing out how most of the claims about it (it killed people, it made people poor, etc) are bullshit. It was a scummy, ultimately harmless financial move.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53190504]Edit edit: Though really you're kinda delving into the same shit by claiming anyone said Shkreli was bin Laden 2.0.[/QUOTE]
The guy I was responding to said earlier, directly, that "Evil egomaniacs are capable of good deeds simply to convince themselves they aren't totally evil pieces of shit" and compared Shkreli's actions directly to Bin Laden's to make his point. I'm not saying everyone who got the situation wrong is inherently claiming Shkreli is Bin Laden 2.0, I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is that this one particular individual did.
I don't think Martin Shkreli is a good person. But I also don't like people getting their facts wrong because sensationalist media decided to run a smear campaign for all that sweet drama money. There's plenty to dislike about Martin Shkreli from his legitimate crimes to his character to his tactics in general but there's claims that were made regarding his actions that were manipulative at best and flat out lies at worse.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53190492] The not have a direct negative effect on the wallets of the few people who still have to use those meds in America because the company also set up a program which essentially pushed the cost onto insurance companies: if you cannot afford the medication yourself, they'll give it to you and have someone else pay for it, which is a standard measure for most companies handling very expensive drugs.
So, no, Shkreli didn't kill anyone and he didn't ruin any lives. No one ran out of meds because the evil smug man made it too expensive for them. The worse effect this has had is create a form of monopoly on the drug which was already more or less present seeing as barely anyone was bothering with producing and distributing this incredibly niche drug to begin with. It's incredible to me how hard this disinformation has persisted ever since this came to light and so many people have managed to add extra layers of bullshit to it over time.
There's a reason the legal shit that Shkreli got caught up in had ultimately nothing to do with Turing Pharmaceuticals. He's not a good person and he's a criminal but to this day the Daraprim thing is [I]still[/I] completely misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
Well I just embrassed myself. :v:
Still, he deserves to go to prison for breaking the law and is a shitty human being for scummy practices.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53190638]Well I just embrassed myself. :v:
Still, he deserves to go to prison for breaking the law and is a shitty human being for scummy practices.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I just wish people were better informed.
It's refreshing to also see people more accepting of the facts, which I guess is partly due to the fact he is still getting his comeuppance for something unrelated. There's far too many times where people fall for media manipulation and then try to bargain about how their disproportionate reaction was still deserved because of different factors entirely.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53190534]The programs were set up early enough for no one to have had to sell their house to buy their medicine. And from what I've seen, and from what Skreli said, the requirements are low enough for a wide majority of the country to be able to have access to it.[/quote]
Well was it set up when they hiked the price or when the media started reacting to it? And do you know of an article that actually outlines what people have actually paid? The whole plan was rather convoluted - some people pay nothing, others pay "as low as $10 per prescription", but I can't find anything that covers how much that actually might be. Only outlines. But maybe that means no one paid enough to really complain about it, who knows - but it'd be nice to have something more concrete than just "Shkreli said so", because he's apparently said a lot of things.
[quote]I agree that it's scummy, but I'm just pointing out how most of the claims about it (it killed people, it made people poor, etc) are bullshit. It was a scummy, ultimately harmless financial move.[/quote]
I guess you can argue that Toxoplasmosis is so niche a disease that the overall impact on the cost of healthcare was "harmless", but I think that's a shitty benchmark to be honest. These things add up.
[quote]The guy I was responding to said earlier, directly, that "Evil egomaniacs are capable of good deeds simply to convince themselves they aren't totally evil pieces of shit"[B] and compared Shkreli's actions directly to Bin Laden's to make his point.[/B] I'm not saying everyone who got the situation wrong is inherently claiming Shkreli is Bin Laden 2.0, I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is that this one particular individual did.
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Uhm... no? No one compared raising Daraprim's price with 5000% to 9/11 - that would be "directly comparing". They basically said that ultimately really shitty people can also do good deeds, but that doesn't make them not shitty people. Maybe calling Martin Shkreli "evil" is a bit much, but saying he put him in the same basket as them just because of that is reaaaaaally stretching it.
[quote]I don't think Martin Shkreli is a good person. But I also don't like people getting their facts wrong because sensationalist media decided to run a smear campaign for all that sweet drama money. There's plenty to dislike about Martin Shkreli from his legitimate crimes to his character to his tactics in general but there's claims that were made regarding his actions that were manipulative at best and flat out lies at worse.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the media definitely hammed it up to 11, and I'd like if there had been less sensationalism. The price increase was definitely sensationalist, though - I remember I was shocked when I first read about it - and I'm glad that this case brought that practice to (the public) light, at least.
Edit: I guess I was sniped by the Man Himself. I guess that that makes this kinda pointless, and me, wrong. I guess we all read things a bit differently.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;53190230]One day people on the internet will understand how analogies work. One day.[/QUOTE]
it's a shit analogy maybe make a comparison with people other than the most evil ones you can think of at the moment
[QUOTE=Swiket;53190239]If I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Escobar, bin Laden, and Shkreli, I would shoot Shkreli twice.[/QUOTE]
"I'd rather waste both of my bullets on a mean business man that's being punished for what he did than kill a drug lord who has his cartel kill anyone who gets in their way, and a terrorist that has planned and executed mass murders"
shkreli isn't an angel, but this makes you sound stupid dude.
[QUOTE=joost1120;53190374]What? A man being arrogant is a lot less disgusting to me than several guys being glad he's imprisoned, up to the point of saying "Good, fuck him". There's nothing wrong with wanting him imprisoned for breaking a law, but the way some people voiced their opinion make me think they need a psychologist.[/QUOTE]
Says the guy who files school shootings as going under the "ya know shit happens" category of daily events. It seems pretty plain whom needs quite a large chunk of therapy.
As for Shkreli I haven't seen or heard anything that would fall under "secret asshole altruist" at all, unless he's somehow managed to hide it for the last five years.
[quote] pushed on to the insurance companies [/quote]
Except insurance companies cited in the first articles [I]had no intention[/I] of absorbing the changed cost, so any "reverse inverse robin hood 5th dimensional chess" angle is patently false, unless you have access to some kind of documents that spells out insurance companies being ok with the hike, because they weren't, and they aren't.
One of my former bosses has to take a hormonal formulation because they removed his pituitary gland because of a recurring noncancerous tumor. In the last five years the price for this drug has gone up 300% because it's now made by one manufacturer instead of three and with no discernible reason why, and insurance companies are not even kind of trying to foot the bill. The consumer cost has gone up, and there's no "back end" buffer of any kind. So the theory that carriers would just quietly accept a 5000% price hike and go about their business because that's what they always do is pushing it.
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