Quantic Dreams described as a toxic work environment by former staff. David Cage denies allegations. - Sensationalist Headlines

Well then I see where you're coming from and I can't really deny it. I don't remember much about Beyond: Two Souls being racist but if I try, I guess maybe the Indian dudes? Or the people in the Middle-East? I don't know. It's probably easier to tell when it's about black people because it's more familiar.

I had even forgotten about that base. I like David Cage's work but he dropped the ball hard on that one.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;53054264]I'm sorry, but you'll have to be clearer about why you think the European market means sony is humouring a closeted rapist, because to me, that really doesn't line up. Even generalizing the european market down to "sportsgames and action" is pretty dumb.[/QUOTE] Not to say David Cage pushing his rape fantasies into his games is any less weird but calling someone a "closeted rapist" for having a weird fetish is bizarre to me. Like okay, he's a fucking creepy weirdo in so many ways, but "closeted rapist" is like the last way I'd describe the guy.

[QUOTE=Sonic4Ever;53053954]Some employees, afraid of the outcome, have rallied a few influencers (youtubers/twitters) to defend them instead of coming up with evidence. [url]https://twitter.com/cafegaming/status/952855367398117376[/url][/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.canardpc.com/373/drole-dambiance-quantic-dream"]One of the French sites has a header image with excerpts of the image cache that was (allegedly) mailed around the company.[/URL] Obviously NSFW (except at Quantic Dream). The other stuff seems very hard to prove, aside from the financial allegations. [editline]edit[/editline] Nevermind, I read that wrong. I'm fairly certain it's hard to prove either way, but as far as circumstantial evidence goes, Quantic Dream is in a [B]really[/B] bad position here.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;53055615]There's a difference between stereotypical and racist. Yeah the black guy in Indigo Prophecy is stereotypical, but it doesn't have to be racist. Cage uses stereotypes very often for his characters. Yeah that's not good writing, but it's not racist either (except for the other guy, I guess).[/QUOTE] A white guy writing the one black character in their story as a stereotype is a racist thing to do. I'm not sure how you can see that not being an example of racism. But can I ask, what makes you want to defend him? I'm not trying to pull some tricky bullshit on you, I just genuinely want to know. It seems like you're already mostly convinced that the guy is pretty bad, so what's the value, in your book, to arguing that this example from his work might not be as terrible as it seems? Like, it takes time and energy to engage in any argument--so, what makes it worth it for you to jump in here on his side? I can see this question coming off as condescending, and if it does, I'm sorry, it's really not my intention, I'm just trying to see from your perspective.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;53055920][URL="https://www.canardpc.com/373/drole-dambiance-quantic-dream"]One of the French sites has a header image with excerpts of the image cache that was (allegedly) mailed around the company.[/URL] Obviously NSFW (except at Quantic Dream). The other stuff seems very hard to prove, aside from the financial allegations. [editline]edit[/editline] Nevermind, I read that wrong. I'm fairly certain it's hard to prove either way, but as far as circumstantial evidence goes, Quantic Dream is in a [B]really[/B] bad position here.[/QUOTE] Actually crunchtime is not hard to prove. You can provide computer session unlock times and code commits timestamps to authorities.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;53055615]There's a difference between stereotypical and racist. Yeah the black guy in Indigo Prophecy is stereotypical, but it doesn't have to be racist. Cage uses stereotypes very often for his characters. Yeah that's not good writing, but it's not racist either (except for the other guy, I guess).[/QUOTE] Is this the same logic that brought us "gas the kikes does not objectively mean kill the jews, in another culture it might mean hello"?

[QUOTE=Loadingue;53055581]No he's not, but that doesn't mean we have to bring it up every time in a snarky way, even when it's largely irrelevant to the topic at hand.[/QUOTE] but its incredibly relevant to the topic at hand

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;53056034]A white guy writing the one black character in their story as a stereotype is a racist thing to do. I'm not sure how you can see that not being an example of racism. But can I ask, what makes you want to defend him? I'm not trying to pull some tricky bullshit on you, I just genuinely want to know. It seems like you're already mostly convinced that the guy is pretty bad, so what's the value, in your book, to arguing that this example from his work might not be as terrible as it seems? Like, it takes time and energy to engage in any argument--so, what makes it worth it for you to jump in here on his side? I can see this question coming off as condescending, and if it does, I'm sorry, it's really not my intention, I'm just trying to see from your perspective.[/QUOTE] I will always defend people or things that get bashed on more than I believe they deserve. It's part of my personality. It's not hard to believe David Cage might be sexist, but I still think the racist part is a bit of a stretch. Everyone makes him out to be a massive racist person, but he's probably just a bit racist, subconsciously, but it's right to criticize him for it since, as a director, his work and his views are carried far. [editline]16th January 2018[/editline] I don't want to be the one guy defending David Cage but hearing about those shower scenes in every thread (which I consider as nothing more than a silly trope) just annoys me. And no, those scenes don't mean he's a "closet rapist" or whatever about "rape fantasies". It's creepy, sure, but you don't have to go accuse him lightly of all those grave things.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;53056449]I don't want to be the one guy defending David Cage but hearing about those shower scenes in every thread (which I consider as nothing more than a silly trope) just annoys me. And no, those scenes don't mean he's a "closet rapist" or whatever about "rape fantasies". It's creepy, sure, but you don't have to go accuse him lightly of all those grave things.[/QUOTE] so there's nothing suspect about Heavy Rain having three attempted rapes happen to the same character over the space of a couple days? one being a meaningless (but [I]oddly extensive[/I]) dream sequence that's never elaborated on or even justified, and the other being totally missable and inconsequential to the plot and also featuring a drill and a vagina? or anything a little weird about this? [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53051980]Again I have to keep bringing this up. There are unused files in Beyond: Two Souls where Ellen Page's character is brutally raped, screaming for her sidekick to save her. This comes despite the fact that her sidekick is literally an inter dimensional being/ghost/thing that has been protecting the character her entire life, but just pointlessly watches in this cut segment. It lasts for a couple minutes and is honestly some of the most chilling shit because it sounds too real for its own good. I'm not one to say that you can't have such a scene in one's work because, hey, it happens. But jesus christ it's really clear that this was just something for Cage to get off on[/QUOTE] i mean to call the dude a closeted rapist is a little much, but he definitely has a fetish for this stuff and has quite clearly very little control over it

Tell you guys what; if David Cage's next game, Detroit: Become Human, has at least one shower scene and one (attempted) rape scene, I'll stop defending him forever. I know it's an easy win for you guys, but it also makes sense. Because this guy has been criticized for these scenes for years, hasn't really responded to them, and if despite all that he keeps inserting them in his games, then he's fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;53056674]Tell you guys what; if David Cage's next game, Detroit: Become Human, has at least one shower scene and one (attempted) rape scene, I'll stop defending him forever. I know it's an easy win for you guys, but it also makes sense. Because this guy has been criticized for these scenes for years, hasn't really responded to them, and if despite all that he keeps inserting them in his games, then he's fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] David Cage prediction checklist: - Obvious fixation over distraught women - Female character established as capable/strong becomes weak and must submit to a superior force - Touchy/Taboo subject approached with the subtlety of an elephant doused in napalm - Female deuteragonist falls in love with the protagonist and has sex with them explicitly or otherwise - Female deuteragonist plays nurse with injured protagonist and never gets more useful to the plot - Sudden, utterly unexplained supernatural plot point that seemingly doesn't tie into anything - The surprise reveal of a completely unrelated third faction that was actually behind it all - French-specific phrases and sentence structures translated raw into English without any further changes - David Cage attempts to break the fourth wall by having a character directly address the player, possibly also while staring directly at them - The game literally fucking lies to you in order to keep a plot point secret - A scene that should be thirty seconds is stretched out to five minutes - QTE that's scripted to fail - Shower Scene

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53056713]David Cage prediction checklist: - Obvious fixation over distraught women - Female character established as capable/strong becomes weak and must submit to a superior force - Touchy/Taboo subject approached with the subtlety of an elephant doused in napalm - Female deuteragonist falls in love with the protagonist and has sex with them explicitly or otherwise - Female deuteragonist plays nurse with injured protagonist and never gets more useful to the plot - Sudden, utterly unexplained supernatural plot point that seemingly doesn't tie into anything - The surprise reveal of a completely unrelated third faction that was actually behind it all - QTE that's scripted to fail - French-specific phrases and sentence structures translated raw into English without any further changes - David Cage attempts to break the fourth wall by having a character directly address the player, possibly also while staring directly at them - The game literally fucking lies to you in order to keep a plot point secret - A scene that should be thirty seconds is stretched out to five minutes[/QUOTE] Isn't there a bingo version of this?

[QUOTE=Cone;53056524]so there's nothing suspect about Heavy Rain having three attempted rapes happen to the same character over the space of a couple days? one being a meaningless (but [I]oddly extensive[/I]) dream sequence that's never elaborated on or even justified, and the other being totally missable and inconsequential to the plot and also featuring a drill and a vagina?[/QUOTE] The nightmare has an (extremely flimsy) justification, to get her to go to the motel where Ethan is. I forget how being at a motel helps her sleep better, but that's why the nightmare happens. Also said motel has another creepy dude working at the front desk, although he's not a rapist. I also feel the need to mention Indigo Prophecy's weird frozen undead sex near the end of the game. I mean it's consensual, but at this point the main character is a shitty zombie/vampire that produces no body heat (and it's freezing everywhere), looks like he just walked away from a car accident, is rebounding off of his dead girlfriend (who did not become a shitty zombie/vampire), and was thought to be a murderer just a short time ago.

[QUOTE=kilerabv;53056964]Isn't there a bingo version of this?[/QUOTE] Don't need a bingo if its all true.

Let us not forget da hidden dancefloor [video=youtube;8Z4sneuPK8I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z4sneuPK8I[/video]

[QUOTE=meharryp;53057864]Let us not forget da hidden dancefloor [video=youtube;8Z4sneuPK8I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z4sneuPK8I[/video][/QUOTE] Me and my brother still reference pretty much everything in the AdumPlaze Indigo Prophecy series, for how fucking crazy it is alone IP has to be my favorite of the sadness trilogy.

Obligatory Jimquisition video: [video=youtube;RanbQqFTBTA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RanbQqFTBTA[/video]

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;53051974]David Cage has always seemed like a proto rapist to me.[/QUOTE] David Cage wants to put Ellen Page in his Page cage.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;53057017]The nightmare has an (extremely flimsy) justification, to get her to go to the motel where Ethan is. I forget how being at a motel helps her sleep better, but that's why the nightmare happens. Also said motel has another creepy dude working at the front desk, although he's not a rapist. I also feel the need to mention Indigo Prophecy's weird frozen undead sex near the end of the game. I mean it's consensual, but at this point the main character is a shitty zombie/vampire that produces no body heat (and it's freezing everywhere), looks like he just walked away from a car accident, is rebounding off of his dead girlfriend (who did not become a shitty zombie/vampire), and was thought to be a murderer just a short time ago.[/QUOTE] Don't forget Omikron which seems to have the intro intentionally designed for the player to fuck another man's girlfriend while you've stolen his body.

Yeah I mentioned that earlier in the thread. [QUOTE=Aredbomb;53054181]One of the first things you can do in Omikron is have sex with a woman that claims to be wife of the guy you're possessing. I mean she's actually a demon and he's actually an empty shell that some other demon used to trick you, but you don't learn about any of that until later.[/QUOTE] To be fair to the early games, their sex scenes were only uncomfortable because of the really strange context they had (frozen undead sex, pseudo-cuckoldry via possession). Without that context they wouldn't be comparable to the creepy shit in the later games.

I found this thread from the artist on NitW particularly funny on this topic. [media] [url]https://twitter.com/bombsfall/status/952658147797331968[/url] [/media]

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;53072199]Yeah I mentioned that earlier in the thread. To be fair to the early games, their sex scenes were only uncomfortable because of the really strange context they had (frozen undead sex, pseudo-cuckoldry via possession). Without that context they wouldn't be comparable to the creepy shit in the later games.[/QUOTE] It probably wouldn't be such a big deal if it had only happened in one or two of Cage's games. I mean, let's be real here, by the time you get to the weird frozen undead sex in Indigo Prophecy, the game has [I]long[/I] since abandoned any sense of sanity. Which is a shame, because I actually felt a lot of that game (particularly the intro) was done quite well. But as Quantic released more and more games, it became readily apparent that David Cage has got some weird [I]thing[/I] for attempted rape scenes, weirdly out-of-context sex scenes and particularly otherwise strong, capable women characters being put in situations where they're vulnerable (usually to rapists). Not to mention the way he writes and has said scenes animated makes it seem like he's probably never actually experienced sex beyond the context of a screen. [I]None[/I] of the sex scenes in his games have felt natural at all, not even by accident.