Man fatally shoots daughter during gun saftely lesson
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[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52444094]Also probably over relaxed around a gun, thinking you'd be fine.
Seems like something that happens to quite a lot of people, from jihadists that blow themselves up in practice with bombs, to NRA members, as we've heard of before, and laughed at.[/QUOTE]
If you're overly relaxed around one of the most efficient lethal vectors ever conceived then you definitely qualify as dumb and irresponsible. I don't think you're implying that they're mutually exclusive, but this happens way too often. I cant say I'm surprised, though, as there's very little chance that most people are properly informed and educated on gun safety when they're so widespread and easy to obtain.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52444091]Well then what do you propose as a solution? In my years on fp having gun debates, Ive come to understand that people don't take possible infringements on their second amendment rights lightly.[/QUOTE]
Slap him with a felony. His 2A rights are gone forever at that point.
Can we talk about the real travesty here which is he is pleading not guilty to shooting and killing his own daughter
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52444124]Slap him with a felony. His 2A rights are gone forever at that point.[/QUOTE]
Definitely, I was wrongfully assuming that you were proposing something precautionary, my mistake.
His son said that he saw his dad load the gun some time before pointing it at his daughter. The dad had forgotten that apparently.
If we take him at face value - which is he honestly forgot it was loaded, and it was entirely an accident - then he can plead not guilty all he wants.
However that does not change the fact that he did shoot her. On negligence alone he should definitely be charged.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52444091]Well then what do you propose as a solution? In my years on fp having gun debates, Ive come to understand that people don't take possible infringements on their second amendment rights lightly.[/QUOTE]
Mandatory gun courses would be great, great way to ingrain good habits in people that would buy a gun and not even bother to read/watch videos on how to handle them.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52444105]They've lost the right. The guy flat out shot his child in an attempt to show "gun safety".
He's proven he can't be trusted as he's just committed involuntary manslaughter. It's like if you drink and drive, and kill someone - you can and most likely will lose your license.[/QUOTE]
It really is a shame that all we can do in this country is prevent something from happening in the future only after catastrophic damage has already been done. That's the price you pay for the right to bear arms, and I can understand why people think that's a worthwhile sacrifice, but I do wish we had a more widespread program of gun safety courses and background checks.
You need to be able to prove how to drive - so why are people not required to prove how to handle a gun?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52444158]It really is a shame that all we can do in this country is prevent something from happening in the future only after catastrophic damage has already been done. That's the price you pay for the right to bear arms, and I can understand why people think that's a worthwhile sacrifice, but I do wish we had a more widespread program of gun safety courses and background checks.[/QUOTE]
America is a country where it's cheaper and easier to get a gun than getting medical treatment for gunshot wounds. Food for thought.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52444162]You need to be able to prove how to drive - so why are people not required to prove how to handle a gun?[/QUOTE]
You're preaching to the choir, but to play devil's advocate, the argument is typically that you do typically need a license to handle firearms on public property like you do for a vehicle. You don't need a license to operate those vehicles on private property as far as I can remember, but I haven't read up on this subject in a few months. Another frequent response is that the right to transportation isn't something outlined in our constitution, while the right to bear arms is. Again, these aren't my responses so I don't know of the merit that they may or may not have.
[quote]Unaware that the gun was loaded, he said he pointed it toward her and fired.[/quote]
i dont think i can quantify how stupid that is
he clearly had his own standards for safety
End of the article makes this situation seem way sketchier than at first glance. Because, really, [I]how could you be so fucking stupid.[/I] Yeah, sure, he "forgot" he loaded the gun when there wasn't a situation where he needed to load the gun.
I actually wanted to commentate on this specific situation, so the main character of my story assumes her mom's gun isn't loaded and shoots her friend's dad. Hooray for education!
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52444162]You need to be able to prove how to drive - so why are people not required to prove how to handle a gun?[/QUOTE]
You need to be able to prove how to drive if you want to take a car on public roads. There's nothing stopping you from buying a non-road-legal car and operating it without a license on your own property, hence the popular image of the farmer's son driving a tractor. Similarly, you don't need a license to own a gun, but you do need a license to carry it in public, and in many states that license requires demonstration of safe practices not unlike a driving test.
Firearm ownership is also much more politically sensitive and tied to governmental overreach than driving is, so the law errs on the side of laxity to avoid restrictive practices unfairly depriving Constitutional rights. Gun control has a long history of being used to selectively disempower undesirable groups (case in point, the 1963 Gun Control Act was passed in response to the militarization of the Black Panthers), so it's not a paranoid concern.
trying to teach gun safety, doesn't know the first thing about gun safety
nice one
I'm totally a fan of if you can't pass firearms safety courses you should never be anywhere near a firearm.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52444171]America is a country where it's cheaper and easier to get a gun than getting medical treatment for gunshot wounds. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
Not really comparable, a gun can be insanely cheap to put together, comparing it to surgery is nonsense.
If he were using a realistic nerf gun or someshit and did this it would have been one damn powerful lesson for those kids about how quickly things can go south when you play with a gun.
Instead he was a fucking dumbass.
I just...even if it WAS completely unloaded and there was nothing in the chamber...
WHY in all that is holy would you aim it at your daughter's head and pull the trigger? Why would you even entertain the risk?
Poor kid. I hate it when other people's stupidity results in someone else's death. Sounds like a moron for what he did.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52443666]Clearly this idiot doesn't know a damn thing about gun safety and should never own one.
I only just learned to shoot and I was taught you never aim it at someone else, you make sure that the clip is out, and that there are no bullets in the barrel.
On top of this you make sure if the gun has a safety, to USE THE FUCKING SAFETY.
Adding to this, if you're fucking finger isn't on the trigger, behold, it won't actually fire! The fact that the idiot tried to as a "demonstration of safety" is baffling.[/QUOTE]
More than that, it should always be handled as if it is loaded and ready to fire, and don't think it won't accidentally go off just because your finger isn't on the trigger. A guy shot himself in the dick just by sitting on his gun by mistake the other day here. Anything slipping into a trigger guard can fire a gun. Guns like Glocks have no physical safety and take less than 5 pounds of force to pull the trigger
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52444091]Well then what do you propose as a solution? In my years on fp having gun debates, Ive come to understand that people don't take possible infringements on their second amendment rights lightly.[/QUOTE]
Gun Safety courses taught in school once a year by trained professionals. They don't need to learn how to be dead eyes, but they need to learn how to safely interact with a firearm, and as children, avoid interactions all together without adult supervision.
You may not like guns, but theyre ever so present in the US. Teaching people how to be safe around them is the best thing you can do to stop negligent gun deaths.
[editline]8th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52444171]America is a country where it's cheaper and easier to get a gun than getting medical treatment for gunshot wounds. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
America is a country where its cheaper to buy a 40 ounce of cheap booze than it is to buy a sports car. Food for thought.
Damn it just sounds dumb when I compare 2 completely different things.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52444162]You need to be able to prove how to drive - so why are people not required to prove how to handle a gun?[/QUOTE]
Because driving isn't covered under the constitution.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52444171]America is a country where it's cheaper and easier to get a gun than getting medical treatment for gunshot wounds. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
It's always cheaper and easier to destroy something than to repair it.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;52444928]Not really comparable, a gun can be insanely cheap to put together, comparing it to surgery is nonsense.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52445276]America is a country where its cheaper to buy a 40 ounce of cheap booze than it is to buy a sports car. Food for thought.
Damn it just sounds dumb when I compare 2 completely different things.[/QUOTE]
not really my point, my point was why should it be my responsibility to get slapped with a lifetime of medical bills and debt when it was someone else's decision to shoot me, but i am dumb for wording it completely wrong though
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52445493]my point was why should it be my responsibility to get slapped with a lifetime of medical bills and debt when it was someone else's decision to shoot me[/QUOTE]
Well, you can rest easy knowing that's not how it works either, thanks to civil liability, so I'm not sure what you're going for here.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52445276]Gun Safety courses taught in school once a year by trained professionals. They don't need to learn how to be dead eyes, but they need to learn how to safely interact with a firearm, and as children, avoid interactions all together without adult supervision.
You may not like guns, but theyre ever so present in the US. Teaching people how to be safe around them is the best thing you can do to stop negligent gun deaths.[/QUOTE]
As crazy as it sounds I honestly do think this is the best solution at this point, there are so many guns in this country that it should be treated the same as other important safety issues like traffic safety when it comes to childhood education
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