Man fatally shoots daughter during gun saftely lesson - Sensationalist Headlines

i think everyone is missing how fucking stupid this guy really is: [quote]Both of Hummel's sons, one 9 years old and the other 10 years old, told police that the gun wasn't loaded at first. However, Hummel's 9-year-old son said that his father later loaded the gun, according to People. Shortly after, Olivia walked in to the room, and Hummel — who his son said forgot the gun was loaded — turned around.[/quote] theres something wrong with this guys brain if he can't remember loading the gun [editline]8th July 2017[/editline] a couple more dumb quotes to get the blood boiling [quote]Moments before shooting, Hummel allegedly said, "See don’t play with guns" and then shot, the 9-year-old told police, People reports.[/quote] [quote]"She’s dead, she’s dead. I thought it was empty, you can kill," Hummel told the police officer who arrived on the scene[/quote]

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52444091]Well then what do you propose as a solution? In my years on fp having gun debates, Ive come to understand that people don't take possible infringements on their second amendment rights lightly.[/QUOTE] Even the 1st amendment is not absolute. People do not have the right to unduly endanger the lives of others.

I really don't get how this stuff isn't obvious to people. I was told the rules of gun safety before ever even being allowed to touch the gun I fired. And I of course paid close attention to everything I was told despite the fact that my thought process the entire time was "well no shit, that's kinda obvious" because, y'know, I didn't want to risk accidentally shooting a person or one of the animals in the area. [QUOTE=haloguy234;52444132]Can we talk about the real travesty here which is he is pleading not guilty to shooting and killing his own daughter[/QUOTE] It's not like he intended to shoot her and a jail sentence is likely to accomplish nothing anyways. Guy probably feels bad enough as it is and even if he legally could own a gun after this he'd most likely never touch a gun again. Personally I'd think that knowing your negligence is directly responsible for the death of your child is punishment enough for anyone who isn't a sociopath.

can't they do a basic gun safety course in high school or something, they don't even need to operate real guns

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;52446320]can't they do a basic gun safety course in high school or something, they don't even need to operate real guns[/QUOTE] I am always all for this idea. Seriously, there are a huge amount of guns in the US. You are bound to run into one. However, soccer moms would absolutely flip their shit if it were to happen. They are more keen on being ignorant than safe. It would be nice if the NRA would focus on that aspect of their mission statement far more than making crazy ass statements. Gun education in the general public would do tremendous good.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;52446320]can't they do a basic gun safety course in high school or something, they don't even need to operate real guns[/QUOTE] I remember getting "training" by cops in elementary school on how to handle a situation where you or someone you know finds a gun. All it consisted of was just being told "don't touch it, or tell your friend to put it back where he found it and get an adult." Never attempting to make kids feel responsible for securing a weapon to personally ensure its safe, or going any deeper than "pretend it doesn't exist" It was ridiculous, it's essentially the "abstinence only" take on gun safety. I don't know who was the first person to teach kids to just ignore everything for safety but it's unbelievably shortsighted.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;52446583]I remember getting "training" by cops in elementary school on how to handle a situation where you or someone you know finds a gun. All it consisted of was just being told "don't touch it, or tell your friend to put it back where he found it and get an adult." Never attempting to make kids feel responsible for securing a weapon to personally ensure its safe, or going any deeper than "pretend it doesn't exist" It was ridiculous, it's essentially the "abstinence only" take on gun safety. I don't know who was the first person to teach kids to just ignore everything for safety but it's unbelievably shortsighted.[/QUOTE] Well an elementary school aged kid shouldn't really be handling a firearm regardless, and if they do see one out in the open they should avoid it avidly. Kids should get a gun safety class every year in school that progresses from avoiding it to safely handling one.

i mean [I]clearly[/I] he was trying to demonstrate what [I]not[/I] to do with a gun

[QUOTE=TheCronkofDestiny;52447277]i mean [I]clearly[/I] he was trying to demonstrate what [I]not[/I] to do with a gun[/QUOTE] And he did an absolutely fantastic job of showing everyone what not to do. Although I think gun safety lessons could do without blowing your child's brains out.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;52446583]I remember getting "training" by cops in elementary school on how to handle a situation where you or someone you know finds a gun. All it consisted of was just being told "don't touch it, or tell your friend to put it back where he found it and get an adult." Never attempting to make kids feel responsible for securing a weapon to personally ensure its safe, or going any deeper than "pretend it doesn't exist" It was ridiculous, it's essentially the "abstinence only" take on gun safety. I don't know who was the first person to teach kids to just ignore everything for safety but it's unbelievably shortsighted.[/QUOTE] Its not ridiculous. Kids in elementary schools should not be handling firearms. Lots of kids shoot and kill others on accident because they think its a toy and and not an actual firearm.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52447358]Its not ridiculous. Kids in elementary schools should not be handling firearms. Lots of kids shoot and kill others on accident because they think its a toy and and not an actual firearm.[/QUOTE] THAT'S THE POINT OF HIS POST Teaching ACTUAL safety and responsibility instead of "definitely don't touch this because it's evil and you'll die instantly" (which kids IGNORE) is the way to fix that.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52447401]THAT'S THE POINT OF HIS POST Teaching ACTUAL safety and responsibility instead of "definitely don't touch this because it's evil and you'll die instantly" (which kids IGNORE) is the way to fix that.[/QUOTE] You honestly think that kids commonly under the age of 12 are going to comprehend and remember gun safety basics. In select situations, yes, they could. For the entire age group? Surely not.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52447409]You honestly think that kids commonly under the age of 12 are going to comprehend and remember gun safety basics. In select situations, yes, they could. For the entire age group? Surely not.[/QUOTE] uh, yeah, i think so. kids are not as stupid as you think they are. getting the knowledge to them sooner rather than later is especially important with the proliferation of media where guns are glorified and omnipresent. also i don't know why you think they wouldn't remember, i still remember important lessons that stuck with me from when i was a kid

tbh when it comes to idiots like this, being a gun safety instructor would be the worst job for me because I'm not serious enough people need to have it drilled into their heads that 'no, like, seriously, guns are fucking terrible, don't be an idiot'

[QUOTE=J!NX;52447683]tbh when it comes to idiots like this, being a gun safety instructor would be the worst job for me because I'm not serious enough people need to have it drilled into their heads that 'no, like, seriously, guns are fucking terrible, don't be an idiot'[/QUOTE] I learned how to shoot at a young age from my father, first thing he taught me was to treat the gun as if it was always loaded. Any time I see people being idiots with fire arms on youtube I physically cringe and want to scream "Put the fucking down down you asshole!". Guns are not toys, and they are not status symbols, they're weapons and if you play with a weapon you shouldn't own one.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52447358]Kids in elementary schools should not be handling firearms. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Code3Response;52447358]Lots of kids shoot and kill others on accident because they think its a toy and and not an actual firearm.[/QUOTE] You understand these are related, right? When a kid gets a hold of his dad's gun and brings it into school or plays around with his friends, they have no idea what they're doing and accidents happen. Guns are this cool object of power that they see on movies and TV so they treat them like toys because they don't know any better. Elementary-school age is certainly old enough to show kids guns to demystify them, then teach them to stay away and tell an adult.

After reading the last line my jaw literaly dropped What a fucking god damn IDIOT

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52447409]You honestly think that kids commonly under the age of 12 are going to comprehend and remember gun safety basics. In select situations, yes, they could. For the entire age group? Surely not.[/QUOTE] My family is [I]inundated[/I] with guns for hobby and hunting. As a result all of us kids grew up in households where guns were just [I]there[/I]. It was impossible to avoid them because most of the adults in this family are collectors or hunters and even if you put them up, guess what, kids still find them. The solution was to make sure the kids understood from a young age that the guns were dangerous if mishandled and introduce them to correct handling and allowing them to participate in the Gun Stuff so that a) they didn't feel like they needed to sneak it and b) if they did encounter a gun for whatever reason they'd know what to do and how to avoid injuring themselves or someone else. Every kid in my family is gun-safe and I feel comfortable letting them explore my collection of antique guns lightly supervised because I know they'll be gentle and careful with them because they've been shown the safe way to be interested in them. Isolating kids from guns in a gun-rich environment drives their curiosity wild and they [I]will[/I] sneak them and if they don't know how to handle them safely there will be accidents. That's a fact. This doesn't just go for guns, either. You can apply it to anything from computer equipment to sharp kitchen utensils. If you refuse kids access to stuff, they'll just find their own way to access it when you aren't looking [I]and[/I] they won't know how to handle the stuff safely.