Nick Robinson of Polygon Suspended, Vox Media Pending Investigation of Alleged Sexual Harassment - Sensationalist Headlines

What is with the Overcooked rant people keep mentioning?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52541598]What is with the Overcooked rant people keep mentioning?[/QUOTE] Digital Foundry posted a video about the shitty port of Overcooked to the Switch. Robinson reached out and posted this. [t]http://i.imgur.com/SYeSx4Q.png[/t] Pretty much ended with this. [t]http://i.imgur.com/e9gp8M6.png[/t]

[QUOTE=latin_geek;52541301]It's really goddamn annoying that this whole thing is "boiling over" and spilling all over public media in vague tweets and baseless accusations whilst the same people and their followers vehemently reject the very idea of asking for solid proof, in the name of "privacy" [/QUOTE] In the game journo scene asking for proof or presenting it against any accusation is going through "dirty laundry".

I wonder if Porter's going to have anything to say on this.

[QUOTE=Joshii;52541533]I've been wondering this recently but why does this sort of stuff always get put on Twitter before contacting any authorities etc, do we even know any sort of authorities have even got involved yet?[/QUOTE] If sexual harassment is all we're looking at here, usually it's not a police matter. A company will handle it internally by taking disciplinary action and that's about it.

So... Wait, didn't this same thing happen to that John Green guy: The author/scienceman, brother of nerdy Tobuscus Hank Green? Speaking of which, didn't Tobuscus (Toby Turner) [I]also[/I] get wrapped up in a scandal like this at some point!? Honestly this seems to have come entirely out of left field. And the fact that so many people are automatically treating Nick like he's a felon without any solid evidence is... Saddening. It's quite distressing how quickly a person's reputation can go down the shitter based solely on unsubstantiated accusations. Don't get me wrong here: If evidence comes forward proving this? That's awful and will be very upsetting, I loved watching Nick's content. But right now all that we have is claims, and people are treating him like a villain already. Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? As for him being suspended by Vox: That's likely a damage control/PR thing for the company to keep any extra fires from starting based on this until some actual hard evidence comes forward/the whole thing blows over, pretty standard stuff for any big-name company, iirc. And the comments made by the McElroys don't point any fingers at anybody, they just express distress and sadness at the whole situation. People construing that they're aimed at Nick are projecting, honestly. Can we all chill the hell out and lay off any blame-games? Unless somebody comes forward with evidence, then continuing to harass this guy based on claims made by various people will do nothing but harm. [QUOTE=azure 505;52541407]you're ignoring the fact that people who know him WAY better than any of us are "buying into this shit" and that pretty clearly says there's some form of hard evidence that they're not going to air out in the open because it's none of our business[/QUOTE] Source on this?

[QUOTE=Ona;52541867]So... Wait, didn't this same thing happen to that John Green guy: The author/scienceman, brother of nerdy Tobuscus Hank Green? Speaking of which, didn't Tobuscus (Toby Turner) [I]also[/I] get wrapped up in a scandal like this at some point!? Honestly this seems to have come entirely out of left field. And the fact that so many people are automatically treating Nick like he's a felon without any solid evidence is... Saddening. It's quite distressing how quickly a person's reputation can go down the shitter based solely on unsubstantiated accusations. Don't get me wrong here: If evidence comes forward proving this? That's awful and will be very upsetting, I loved watching Nick's content. But right now all that we have is claims, and people are treating him like a villain already. Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? As for him being suspended by Vox: That's likely a damage control/PR thing for the company to keep any extra fires from starting based on this until some actual hard evidence comes forward/the whole thing blows over, pretty standard stuff for any big-name company, iirc. And the comments made by the McElroys don't point any fingers at anybody, they just express distress and sadness at the whole situation. People construing that they're aimed at Nick are projecting, honestly. Can we all chill the hell out and lay off any blame-games? Unless somebody comes forward with evidence, then continuing to harass this guy based on claims made by various people will do nothing but harm. Source on this?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1415751[/url] the stuff from ben pack and matt kessler (who interned with nick at giantbomb) is pretty telling in particular, I think for what it's worth I'm not one of the people going full on boycott yet because I do want to wait and see what polygon does with their investigation first [b]Edit:[/b] also I'm tired as fuck and forgot to mention that ben pack and matt kessler had also quit doing a podcast with nick before because (apparently) they knew something of this and refused to work with him, not sure on the details with that

For right now, I'm calling bullshit. This just smells of a smear. I've worked with people in the past that would throw me under the bus in an instant. Even had friends who would do that. And with no proof currently, I have nothing else to go on. Of course it doesn't help that Vox/Polygon/Neogaf lean in the hysterical side of feminism.

TIL he's Porter Robinson's brother.

[QUOTE=DuCT;52542066]For right now, I'm calling bullshit. This just smells of a smear. I've worked with people in the past that would throw me under the bus in an instant. Even had friends who would do that. And with no proof currently, I have nothing else to go on. Of course it doesn't help that Vox/Polygon/Neogaf lean in the hysterical side of feminism.[/QUOTE] ...a smear campaign of some dude who does funny videos on the internet and writes articles? Really

[QUOTE=Zeos;52542083]...a smear campaign of some dude who does funny videos on the internet and writes articles? Really[/QUOTE] He's not clean cut. The previous mentioned outburst at DF, And he drew the ire of Anita/Fem Freq by stating that he's fapped to Krystal from StarFox. People get shat on for less.

I've known people incredibly sour on Nick for a while and never knew why, so I guess this all explains that. Puts a lot of past stuff into context if it's something that's been bubbling away for a while, which is the vibe I'm getting when so many notable people were willing to light up on this once the spark went up.

I feel so left out, who is this guy?

[QUOTE=patq911;52542179]I feel so left out, who is this guy?[/QUOTE] One of Polygon's funnier on screen persona's. Known for doing goof let's plays in Beam.NG or anything with a character creator. Also that time he explained tumblr to his dad on a podcast. [video=youtube;I4XgFZiUEEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4XgFZiUEEg[/video]

[QUOTE=Gen. Crumpets;52541669]I wonder if Porter's going to have anything to say on this.[/QUOTE] Nah

Why are so many people here so quick to just accept this at face value? I don't really know much about Nick, since I tend to steer clear of shitholes like Polygon and Neogaf, but so far I've seen [B]zero[/B] evidence of any wrongdoing. Why not suspend your judgement until you know for certain what exactly it is this person has done?

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics being undertaken by some parties. "Please do not ask for any details because private stuff should stay private but also #ugh #gross this guy should be fucking disavowed by the public"

Literally everyone Nick knows and works with are sharing stories and disavowing him. It's not some kind of grassroots harassment campaign by a bunch of disgruntled Overcooked fans or whatever. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] Receipts getting aired in public would just put even more negative attention on those with the courage to report the harassment. The only people who need proof are those who can act on it, i.e. Polygon. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] If you actually look at the way the story developed, the Overcooked! debacle led to people in the video games journalism industry finally mentioning something they all knew: that Nick is an asshole who harasses women. This initial acknowledgement is what led to a bunch of women reporting their own stories with him. It did not come out of nowhere. While we don't have proof, everyone who WOULD know more about Nick has already concluded, possibly months or even years ago, that Nick is a serial harasser. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] SO, while there is still a remote chance that Nick is innocent, let's stop with the accusations of witch hunts.

people are allowed to disavow others without posting evidence that would make themselves or people that have been victims targets to further harassment it's twitter, not court I liked nick and his content, but if a lot of other people I like and trust more are backing him being shitty I have a lot more reason to believe them than the defense for nick which is: literally nothing

[QUOTE=person11;52542238]Literally everyone Nick knows and works with are sharing stories and disavowing him. It's not some kind of grassroots harassment campaign by a bunch of disgruntled Overcooked fans or whatever. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] Receipts getting aired in public would just put even more negative attention on those with the courage to report the harassment. The only people who need proof are those who can act on it, i.e. Polygon. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] If you actually look at the way the story developed, the Overcooked! debacle led to people in the video games journalism industry finally mentioning something they all knew: that Nick is an asshole who harasses women. This initial acknowledgement is what led to a bunch of women reporting their own stories with him. It did not come out of nowhere. While we don't have proof, everyone who WOULD know more about Nick has already concluded, possibly months or even years ago, that Nick is a serial harasser.[/QUOTE] Really? From what I've seen, the McElroy's at the very least (who, in fairness, are pretty much the only Polygon people I give two shakes about) did express a lot of sadness and despair at the situation via some tweets, but I didn't see them "disavowing" Nick in that post. From what I understand, Nick has just retreated from the public light because - Duh, of [I]course[/I] he fucking has. Who wouldn't in a situation like this!? To me, the lack of evidence is telling. I've seen some very brutal "outings" of people in the past, and in almost every case where there are so-called "Receipts" of these things, people start showing them off on day one. I mean, why not? If you're accusing somebody of something as serious as sexual harassment, it does a lot in your favour to display evidence from the get go. As I've said, all we have right now is claims, and that's it. And if accusations were all we needed to punish somebody, the world would be a much different, and much [I]worse[/I] place. I don't understand why anybody would be motivated to run a smear campaign against Nick, but at the same time, I don't understand why people would deliberately keep damning evidence against him to themselves, especially in the face of doubters. I mean, look at me for instance? I'm questioning this whole damn thing! And I'm far from the only one. It'd shut me right the hell up if somebody presented some hard evidence backing up the claims. But no, despite all the people who are piping up with accusations, we have nothing to actually substantiate any of it. Like it or not, right now it's all rumours and hearsay. And nobody should be treated the way Nick is being treated based solely on that. If they want to keep the evidence private for legal reasons? Fine, but in that case, the whole damn affair should be kept private, too. Because right now all I'm seeing is a guy getting the proverbial shit kicked out of him based on a few people [I]saying[/I] he did some bad stuff but not making any visible effort to [I]prove[/I] any of it. Innocent until proven guilty. That's my outlook.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542259]people are allowed to disavow others without posting evidence that would make themselves or people that have been victims targets to further harassment it's twitter, not court I liked nick and his content, but if a lot of other people I like and trust more are backing him being shitty I have a lot more reason to believe them than the defense for nick which is: literally nothing[/QUOTE] This goes beyond not even having evidence though. There's not even any sort of allegation. Literally the most concrete thing I can find is "he's a dick" and "creeping in women's DMs." Why should I dislike a person just because I am told I should, without even given a reason why?

[QUOTE=person11;52542238]Literally everyone Nick knows and works with are sharing stories and disavowing him. It's not some kind of grassroots harassment campaign by a bunch of disgruntled Overcooked fans or whatever. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] Receipts getting aired in public would just put even more negative attention on those with the courage to report the harassment. The only people who need proof are those who can act on it, i.e. Polygon. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] If you actually look at the way the story developed, the Overcooked! debacle led to people in the video games journalism industry finally mentioning something they all knew: that Nick is an asshole who harasses women. This initial acknowledgement is what led to a bunch of women reporting their own stories with him. It did not come out of nowhere. While we don't have proof, everyone who WOULD know more about Nick has already concluded, possibly months or even years ago, that Nick is a serial harasser. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] SO, while there is still a remote chance that Nick is innocent, let's stop with the accusations of witch hunts.[/QUOTE] You can't just drag a person's name through the mud in public like this, [B]without any kind of actual proof whatsoever[/B] If Polygon wanted to handle this internally, because of fear that it might bring negative attention to anyone involved, then they should've done just that. Instead we now have this retarded and useless shitshow of rumours and hearsay.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;52542271]This goes beyond not even having evidence though. There's not even any sort of allegation. Literally the most concrete thing I can find is "he's a dick" and "creeping in women's DMs." Why should I dislike a person just because I am told I should, without even given a reason why?[/QUOTE] maybe you should stop interpreting people voicing their concerns about someone being shitty to people they know as a personal campaign to get you to dislike them, then he's been suspended and it's being investigated, by the appropriate people. you're not owed any evidence or receipts to people being privately harassed

At this point it's probably somethin dumb as "send nudes" which he prob typed as a joke and the victims are just trying to come up with a way to make him a sexual predator.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542289]maybe you should stop interpreting people voicing their concerns about someone being shitty to people they know as a personal campaign to get you to dislike them, then he's been suspended and it's being investigated, by the appropriate people. you're not owed any evidence or receipts to people being privately harassed[/QUOTE] Voicing concerns? These are serious allegations of sexual harassment, ruining this man's career and personal life. For real, do you not see the problem with smearing people's reputation like this [B]without any kind of proof whatsoever?[/B]

[QUOTE=Taishu;52542329]Voicing concerns? These are serious allegations of sexual harassment, ruining this man's career and personal life. For real, do you not see the problem with smearing people's reputation like this [B]without any kind of proof whatsoever?[/B][/QUOTE] do you not see the problem with expecting people to open up themselves to more harassment and put their jobs or reputations on the line as well to prove themselves to random strangers on the internet? do you not see the problem with instantly locking ranks and demanding evidence to protect one guy vs. a lot of equally as important/connected people coming out in support of the affected parties? do you not see the problem with expecting people to be quiet regarding something they might have been affected by or known about for a long time, and had not been able to talk about, when that thing is now in the light? nick robinson doesn't need to be white knighted. if he's innocent, I'm sure we'll find out: but ask yourself why the hell other people of a similar position to him would be all be willing to call him out once someone started it, and what they would have to gain if it's all false (hint: it's nothing)

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542289]maybe you should stop interpreting people voicing their concerns about someone being shitty to people they know as a personal campaign to get you to dislike them, then he's been suspended and it's being investigated, by the appropriate people. you're not owed any evidence or receipts to people being privately harassed[/QUOTE] If we the public shouldn't be allowed to see the evidence, ten the whole mess should be kept internal. No Twitter posts signaling how yucky he is and vague posts "confirming" he's a bad man. Even then I hate the idea of private, closed, investigations. I know Polygon isn't the government, but when something like this has blown up to the point its at, being open and upfront, presenting evidence, is the best way to go with it.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542355]do you not see the problem with instantly locking ranks and demanding evidence to protect one guy vs. a lot of equally as important/connected people coming out in support of the affected parties?[/QUOTE] Apparently the concept of innocent till proven guilty is just locking ranks to protect one guy.

[QUOTE=DuCT;52542368]If we the public shouldn't be allowed to see the evidence, ten the whole mess should be kept internal. No Twitter posts signaling how yucky he is and vague posts "confirming" he's a bad man. Even then I hate the idea of private, closed, investigations. I know Polygon isn't the government, but when something like this has blown up to the point its at, being open and upfront, presenting evidence, is the best way to go with it.[/QUOTE] Twitter isn't some public station where you make statements to a crowd. It's social media. You're not owed an explanation of someone's private life because they used their personal platform to talk about it upto the level they're comfortable with. This isn't a court case. Twitter isn't a prosecutor. If people want to share that other people in their sphere are shitty, they can. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;52542369]Apparently the concept of innocent till proven guilty is just locking ranks to protect one guy.[/QUOTE] yes, the concept of innocent until proven guilty, in the justice system of people on the internet finally being able to openly talk about how scummy someone is I mean, I like nick. Car Boys was great, I was looking forward to touch the skyrim finishing, and I hear good things about the weird boundary-break esque thing they replaced car boys with. I'd like him to be innocent, but at this point it's my opinion on a lot of people I really like versus my opinion on one person I like, and I'm gonna go with the former.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542385]Twitter isn't some public station where you make statements to a crowd. It's social media. You're not owed an explanation of someone's private life because they used their personal platform to talk about it upto the level they're comfortable with. This isn't a court case. Twitter isn't a prosecutor. If people want to share that other people in their sphere are shitty, they can. [editline]5th August 2017[/editline] yes, the concept of innocent until proven guilty, in the justice system of people on the internet finally being able to openly talk about how scummy someone is[/QUOTE] Sexual assault/harrasment is a serious claim that needs to be taken up in court of law because if proven innocent thats a serious issue of defamation