Nick Robinson of Polygon Suspended, Vox Media Pending Investigation of Alleged Sexual Harassment - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542385] yes, the concept of innocent until proven guilty, in the justice system of people on the internet finally being able to openly talk about how scummy someone is[/QUOTE] I dont watch this guy, i barely know who he is, but lets say hypothetically he's completely innocent and it is indeed a smear campaign to destroy his career and personal life, consider what you just said about him.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52542408]I dont watch this guy, i barely know who he is, but lets say hypothetically he's completely innocent and it is indeed a smear campaign to destroy his career and personal life, consider what you just said about him.[/QUOTE] wow I said someone on the internet was scummy on a forum and it turned out I was being misled I am a random stranger on the internet completely unconnected to the incident. My words have literally zero weight outside of just being my opinion on the matter, unlike the people literally in the same industry calling him out, who I think I'd be pretty forgiven on taking their word for it

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542416]wow I said someone on the internet was scummy on a forum and it turned out I was being misled I am a random stranger on the internet completely unconnected to the incident. My words have literally zero weight outside of just being my opinion on the matter, unlike the people literally in the same industry calling him out, who I think I'd be pretty forgiven on taking their word for it[/QUOTE] No no no. You're not one "random stranger". You're one of [i]thousands[/i] of random strangers, all saying the same thing, destroying this mans reputation in the event he's done nothing wrong.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52542421]No no no. You're not one "random stranger". You're one of [i]thousands[/i] of random strangers, all saying the same thing, destroying this mans reputation in the event he's done nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I wasn't aware my posts here on facepunch.com were swaying the masses I'm pretty sure most of you disagree with me, actually

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542424]I'm sorry I wasn't aware my posts here on facepunch.com were swaying the masses I'm pretty sure most of you disagree with me, actually[/QUOTE] How do you not get my point here.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542355]do you not see the problem with expecting people to open up themselves to more harassment and put their jobs or reputations on the line as well to prove themselves to random strangers on the internet?[/QUOTE] No, you can't accuse a person of something publicly without evidence. Providing evidence that someone sexually harassed your isn't putting your job on the line. Being accused of said harassment however, is. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542355]do you not see the problem with instantly locking ranks and demanding evidence to protect one guy vs. a lot of equally as important/connected people coming out in support of the affected parties?[/QUOTE] Demanding evidence isn't "locking rank", it's fucking common sense. I'm not a fan of Nick, I just hate retarded mob "justice" like this, because it's retarded. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542355]do you not see the problem with expecting people to be quiet regarding something they might have been affected by or known about for a long time, and had not been able to talk about, when that thing is now in the light?[/QUOTE] I expect people to handle serious allegations like this in an adult and responsible manner. Shit-smearing without evidence is neither of those things. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542355]nick robinson doesn't need to be white knighted. if he's innocent, I'm sure we'll find out: but ask yourself why the hell other people of a similar position to him would be all be willing to call him out once someone started it, and what they would have to gain if it's all false (hint: it's nothing)[/QUOTE] Oh, there's plenty to gain from the demise of other people, and I'm also sure Nick has gained plenty of people who wish him ill. To speculate on the motives would be foolish at this point though, however to say that there can be no motive at all, is incredibly naive.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52542426]How do you not get my point here.[/QUOTE] And how are you not getting mine? A lot of people I respect and trust are glad action is being taken and are happy people are finally speaking up about shit that has happened to them. Nobody, not even people close to nick, is defending him. Even Griffin is saying people should stop demanding receipts. If this was all out of the blue I could understand y'all having this stance on it, but when it's clearly a long-standing thing bubbling to the surface over him being publicly shitty about Overcooked, I'm gonna go with the people who know more than I do. You're not cops. Nobodies going to open themselves up to being doxxed or worse by a couple thousand nick fanboys or gg'ers to prove to you, John Doe, that someone harassed them. They're going to take that evidence to the relevant parties that will do something about it

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542424]I'm sorry I wasn't aware my posts here on facepunch.com were swaying the masses I'm pretty sure most of you disagree with me, actually[/QUOTE] Can you not see how toxic you are? This has happened many times before, all this public shit slinging without evidence does is to drag the name of the accused in the mud and destroy their reputation.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542441]And how are you not getting mine? A lot of people I respect and trust are glad action is being taken and are happy people are finally speaking up about shit that has happened to them. Nobody, not even people close to nick, is defending him. Even Griffin is saying people should stop demanding receipts. If this was all out of the blue I could understand y'all having this stance on it, but when it's clearly a long-standing thing bubbling to the surface over him being publicly shitty about Overcooked, I'm gonna go with the people who know more than I do. You're not cops. Nobodies going to open themselves up to being doxxed or worse by a couple thousand nick fanboys or gg'ers to prove to you, John Doe, that someone harassed them. They're going to take that evidence to the relevant parties that will do something about it[/QUOTE] It's mob mentality, if people in a circle of friends or family would defend him they would be shunned for defending a sexual assaulter/harasser, and there a several cases where this has happened with accused molesters and rapists.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542441]And how are you not getting mine?[/QUOTE] No i got your point completely, i think most people did, its just that its not a particularly good point. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542441]A lot of people I respect and trust are glad action is being taken and are happy people are finally speaking up about shit that has happened to them.[/QUOTE] The thing is, thats not evidence to the matter, and as someone with no significant prior knowledge of these people i have no reason to trust their word on such a serious accusation. If true, its still kind of poor form to make such a public display of it. In addition, the posts i was reading earlier made me think it wasnt them being "glad" about it, but moreso that people werent going out of their way to defend him, which seems very different. Theres also internal interaction and politics we might not know about to take into consideration. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542441]Nobody, not even people close to nick, is defending him. Even Griffin is saying people should stop demanding receipts. [/QUOTE] The problem is its a very serious accusation but nobody is showing evidence to prove it or at least some kind of account of an incident or something. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542441]If this was all out of the blue I could understand y'all having this stance on it, but when it's clearly a long-standing thing bubbling to the surface over him being publicly shitty about Overcooked, I'm gonna go with the people who know more than I do.[/QUOTE] How do we know its only just bubbled to the surface? How do we know its not out of the blue? [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542441]You're not cops. Nobodies going to open themselves up to being doxxed or worse by a couple thousand nick fanboys or gg'ers to prove to you, John Doe, that someone harassed them. They're going to take that evidence to the relevant parties that will do something about it[/QUOTE] Again, hypothetically he's innocent, you're treating this guy as guilty automatically. Its one of those situations where you cant just automatically assume one party is correct because of how it could end up and how it could effect the other party in return. If you automatically assume he's innocent and you're vocal about it, imagine what impact those words have when its proven the opposite, and vice versa.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52542460]No i got your point completely, i think most people did, its just that its not a particularly good point. The thing is, thats not evidence to the matter, and as someone with no significant prior knowledge of these people i have no reason to trust their word on such a serious accusation. If true, its still kind of poor form to make such a public display of it. In addition, the posts i was reading earlier made me think it wasnt them being "glad" about it, but moreso that people werent going out of their way to defend him, which seems very different. Theres also internal interaction and politics we might not know about to take into consideration. The problem is its a very serious accusation but nobody is showing evidence to prove it or at least some kind of account of an incident or something. How do we know its only just bubbled to the surface? How do we know its not out of the blue? Again, hypothetically he's innocent, you're treating this guy as guilty automatically. Its one of those situations where you cant just automatically assume one party is correct because of how it could end up and how it could effect the other party in return. If you automatically assume he's innocent and you're vocal about it, imagine what impact those words have when its proven the opposite, and vice versa.[/QUOTE] I don't think an argument here has any impact, innocent or not. I'm not advocating going on Twitter and shittalking him. I'm not advocating starting a big old 'fuck Nick' campaign. I'm advocating taking allegations of harassment and support from people closer to the source than yourself seriously, and accepting you're not the person they need to be proven to.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542480]I don't think an argument here has any impact, innocent or not. I'm not advocating going on Twitter and shittalking him. I'm not advocating starting a big old 'fuck Nick' campaign. [/QUOTE] Again, you're not one person, you're one of [i]thousands[/i] of people doing the same thing, which has an impact. [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542480]I'm advocating taking allegations of harassment and support from people closer to the source than yourself seriously, and accepting you're not the person they need to be proven to.[/QUOTE] Why do you think i'm not taking it seriously? Whats that all supposed to mean exactly?

[QUOTE=DuCT;52542448]Can you not see how toxic you are? This has happened many times before, all this public shit slinging without evidence does is to drag the name of the accused in the mud and destroy their reputation.[/QUOTE] yes but consider the sensitivity towards the subject, and the community this is happening in, and in general, the stakes for the people involved. [IMG]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341812282348666880/343141960976171009/unknown.png[/IMG] people's careers and livelihoods, not just his are on the line. this same person in that screenshot said they don't want him to lose [B]his[/B] livelihood, and they certainly dont want to risk theirs by getting blacklisted from major websites, but they want to let him know there are consequences to his actions. a lot of the people who tweeted about this whole thing are people [I]in[/I] the industry. and a lot of these people who tweeted further all said that they knew. of course, if that's to be believed, then how did the people who actually work [I]with[/I] him not have known? with all these statements and whatnot by his peers, it could easily be they're trying to separate themselves to avoid bad reputations themselves, or maybe they just genuinely didn't know. but that's not really what's important, so it's best not to think about it that way. also keep in mind, this is the same type of thing that started gamergate of all things (the alleged collusion of positive press for sexual favors,) except the roles are kind of reversed here. any time women are involved in this kind of thing, they tend to get harassed. and i think that's why you're not seeing actual proof over this. people don't want to be harassed, or doxxed, or anything of the sort. either way, i think polygon is handling this as best as they possibly can, and everyone involved is being respectful. a suspension and an investigation is much better, especially for the people involved. if polygon has given anyone involved a chance to speak to them about this stuff, then that's why you're not going to see any proof, and you'll just have to wait and see what polygon themselves say about the subject.

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;52542480]I don't think an argument here has any impact, innocent or not. I'm not advocating going on Twitter and shittalking him. I'm not advocating starting a big old 'fuck Nick' campaign. I'm advocating taking allegations of harassment and support from people closer to the source than yourself seriously, and accepting you're not the person they need to be proven to.[/QUOTE] I'm not supporting hearsay with no supporting evidence. If actual evidence comes out that Nick fucked up, then congratulations, he fucked up. But at this point nothing has come out except for pointless virtue signaling and empty posturing. So at this point I have no reason to accept the current spin.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52542486]Again, you're not one person, you're one of [i]thousands[/i] of people doing the same thing, which has an impact. Why do you think i'm not taking it seriously? Whats that all supposed to mean exactly?[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware there was thousands of people here discussing this? You're acting like I'm off hounding him on twitter. I'm not, and I literally just said I'm not advocating people hordeing up and going for him when they know nothing about the situation. [URL="https://twitter.com/ali_west/status/893322058784006144"]The full tweet thread from ali that was posted above explains what I'm trying to say here well[/URL]

i cannot believe someone finally has said that thinking sexual harassment might not be good is virtue signaling amazing

It won't matter if 10,000 people came out accusing him of whatever it is he's being accused of, I'm not just going to take them on their word. Proving it should be easy enough if it's all through Internet messages, and if someone is throwing dirt at him in public that person better be able to back his shit up. You make public allegations you better produce some public evidence. They should've kept it internal.

Oh look another sjw hate mob. I can't even pretend to be surprised at this point.

[QUOTE=person11;52542238] SO, while there is still a remote chance that Nick is innocent, let's stop with the accusations of witch hunts.[/QUOTE] This is one of the most frightening statements I've heard from someone in a western democracy. Are we to assume that every accusation is correct? I know that he has co-workers who state he could be a harasser but there is literally no hard evidence available to the public, there is no logical or moral reason to conclude that he is guilty.

i just found out about this and after looking at fucking everything I still have no clue what the fuck is going on what the fuck is going on

[QUOTE=ze spy;52542672]i just found out about this and after looking at fucking everything I still have no clue what the fuck is going on what the fuck is going on[/QUOTE] Don't ask questions. The only thing you should know is Nick Robinson is a sexual harasser. But don't ask for any proof or evidence since this is a private matter, which is why I am tweeting our that Nick Robinson is a garbage harasser.

Incidentally, some chatlogs have been posted. [media]https://twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/souIspear/status/893903072380014592[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/souIspear/status/893861081315250176[/media] EDIT: the account has been locked, I'm keeping the links in this post for future reference in case it switches back

Personally I'm withholding judgement until solid evidence comes out that proves Nick is guilty or innocent. If he's guilty then he's guilty and deserves to punished for his actions by the appropriate people. If he's innocent then his career was ruined over nothing and it would show how toxic "callout culture"/internet vigilantism can be. Besides a ruined career he would have to deal with people who would still think he's guilty despite being proven innocent (which often happens in cases of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape where the accused turns out to be completely innocent). I only know who this guy is from a few tweets of his that popped up on my timeline so I have no notable bias towards him being innocent or guilty.

[QUOTE=Conro101;52542682]Incidentally, some chatlogs have been posted.[/QUOTE] Ehhhh... I dont know the full context of the story... but this just seems like really bad flirting.

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52542834]Ehhhh... I dont know the full context of the story... but this just seems like really bad flirting.[/QUOTE] And I don't think "jk i tease you way more than u tease me LOL i deserve it" does her any justice either. :v:

It's kinda weird how she says STOP but then immediately goes lol Jk. Nick still seems really pushy though. I wish there was more of a chatlog so I could get a better feel for the conversation.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;52542846]And I don't think "jk i tease you way more than u tease me LOL i deserve it" does her any justice either. :v:[/QUOTE] Tru dat, darling if that's the worst flirting you've had you're lucky as hell, wouldn't even class it as harassment since she was honestly doing it back. I wish the worst flirts I've gotten were as shitposty as these :v:

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52542851]It's kinda weird how she says STOP but then immediately goes lol Jk. Nick still seems really pushy though. I wish there was more of a chatlog so I could get a better feel for the conversation.[/QUOTE] It's hard to tell because everything, including the tweets responding to the tweet, reads like cancer.

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52542851]It's kinda weird how she says STOP but then immediately goes lol Jk. Nick still seems really pushy though. I wish there was more of a chatlog so I could get a better feel for the conversation.[/QUOTE] there's a bit more context on her timeline, mostly about the age difference (her being 18 and him being 26) and him being very adamant about her not sharing their discussions, apparently, and her being very starstruck re: being a fan and not a colleague

Another log, though keep in mind there's no timestamps and verifiable way to tell it's him. [media]https://twitter.com/AlolanMeowth/status/893921380927799296[/media] [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGe50odUMAAomtq.jpg[/t] the illusion says "SEND NUDES"