Nick Robinson of Polygon Suspended, Vox Media Pending Investigation of Alleged Sexual Harassment - Sensationalist Headlines

Again. It just feels like creepy bad flirting. Not sexual harassment. There is a difference. Is he a creepy dude who is shitty at flirting. Yes. But we dont have any proof that hes harassing women.

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52542931]Again. It just feels like creepy bad flirting. Not sexual harassment. There is a difference. Is he a creepy dude who is shitty at flirting. Yes. But we dont have any proof that hes harassing women.[/QUOTE] Just for clarification, what would you feel constitutes the line between creepy flirting and sexual harassment?

[QUOTE=Conro101;52542944]Just for clarification, what would you feel constitutes the line between creepy flirting and sexual harassment?[/QUOTE] If he was doing it to repeatedly to the same women despite them asking him to stop.

[QUOTE=Conro101;52542944]Just for clarification, what would you feel constitutes the line between creepy flirting and sexual harassment?[/QUOTE] Any continuation after the word 'stop', or unsolicited sexual photos.

fuckkkkkkkkkkk hope he's shown to be innocent tbh

If legit, seems like he's a real creep.

i mean yea hes a bit of a horny boy but is this really something worthy of destroying the mans career like i thought the implication was he was being manipulative or blackmailing other journalists, but this is p tame. average tinder level stuff

[QUOTE=RonthisTW;52543177]i mean yea hes a bit of a horny boy but is this really something worthy of destroying the mans career like i thought the implication was he was being manipulative or blackmailing other journalists, but this is p tame. average tinder level stuff[/QUOTE] It's still pretty unacceptable behavior, stuff that companies don't like employees doing.

[QUOTE=darkzero226;52542487]yes but consider the sensitivity towards the subject, and the community this is happening in, and in general, the stakes for the people involved. [IMG]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341812282348666880/343141960976171009/unknown.png[/IMG] people's careers and livelihoods, not just his are on the line. this same person in that screenshot said they don't want him to lose [B]his[/B] livelihood, and they certainly dont want to risk theirs by getting blacklisted from major websites, but they want to let him know there are consequences to his actions. a lot of the people who tweeted about this whole thing are people [I]in[/I] the industry. and a lot of these people who tweeted further all said that they knew.[/QUOTE] "No one wants to be the person who was publicly accused of sexual harassment" If they wanted to let him know that they disagree with how he conducts himself, is accusing him of sexual harassment on twitter without a shred of evidence really the best way to go about it? [QUOTE=darkzero226;52542487]of course, if that's to be believed, then how did the people who actually work [I]with[/I] him not have known? with all these statements and whatnot by his peers, it could easily be they're trying to separate themselves to avoid bad reputations themselves, or maybe they just genuinely didn't know. but that's not really what's important, so it's best not to think about it that way.[/QUOTE] Right, best not to think about something that doesn't add up. Also with all these scores of people, all knowing he was this horrid serial sexual harasser all along, at least one of them must have some sort of concrete evidence. Why aren't we seeing this? [QUOTE=darkzero226;52542487]also keep in mind, this is the same type of thing that started gamergate of all things (the alleged collusion of positive press for sexual favors,) except the roles are kind of reversed here. any time women are involved in this kind of thing, they tend to get harassed. and i think that's why you're not seeing actual proof over this. people don't want to be harassed, or doxxed, or anything of the sort.[/QUOTE] To me, at least, gender is irrelevant in a case like this. If you publicly accuse someone of a crime or wrongdoing, you best back that up with solid evidence, otherwise it's just shit-smearing. Doxxing and harassment can happen to anyone on the internet regardless of their respective gender, and if you decide to take a case like this public, it's to be expected that shit will be flung. Interestingly you mentioned Gamergate, which undeniably proved this point, as the feminist opposition to the consumer revolt, who claimed they where under a constant barrage of harassment, turned out to be more toxic than anyone involved. One would've expected it to be the other way around, based on the main-stream narrative at the time. [QUOTE=darkzero226;52542487]either way, i think polygon is handling this as best as they possibly can, and everyone involved is being respectful. a suspension and an investigation is much better, especially for the people involved. if polygon has given anyone involved a chance to speak to them about this stuff, then that's why you're not going to see any proof, and you'll just have to wait and see what polygon themselves say about the subject.[/QUOTE] How the hell is public smearing on twitter without any evidence the best way to handle this situation? Polygon handled this about the worst way possible. [QUOTE=Conro101;52542682]Incidentally, some chatlogs have been posted. Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665[/URL] Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/souIspear/status/893903072380014592[/URL] Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/souIspear/status/893861081315250176[/URL] [/QUOTE] I fail to see any form of evidence of sexual harassment. It seems more like really shitty flirting to me. Is this really all there is? For the accuser's sake, I hope not.

noted horny twitter boy nick robinson ostracized, sent to a gulag for [I]horny crimes[/I] honestly it's been a long time coming [t]https://transfer.sh/F3iaz/2017-08-05_19-33-58.png[/t]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52543181]It's still pretty unacceptable behavior, stuff that companies don't like employees doing.[/QUOTE] Those two examples are definitely not unacceptable. Polygon doesnt like that Nick is doing it Im sure but its not reason to fire him.

its definitely unprofessional, but if this is the extent of the shit he's done then it would be extremely foolish to fire one of their most beloved personalities over something so trivial

So the send nudes thing is just the dumb internet joke that went on months ago

I'd just say keep in mind that there's more than one person who is accusing him of harassment. I wouldn't take one person's chat logs as proof one way or the other.

[QUOTE=RonthisTW;52543268]its definitely unprofessional, but if this is the extent of the shit he's done then it would be extremely foolish to fire one of their most beloved personalities over something so trivial[/QUOTE] Frankly it looks like they're ganging up on his cringy flirting, but calling it sexual harassment isn't fair as it seems there was mutual interest in keeping the conversation going. When you're polygon though you have to step on eggshells with this stuff as a self proclaimed "progressive games media site". All you need is one overly sensitive individual to flip a tit over his behavior, harmless as it is, and the whole company goes down with him. Of course they'd rather disown him as quickly as possible. Of course they're pretending they had no idea he had the audacity to flirt with women. They're not really condemning him as much as they are proclaiming their innocence. Of course this is my assumption based on what we've learned so far, if evidence of predatory and harrassing behavior is released we will at least know that the outcry was poorly handled but justified.

[QUOTE=Mud;52542549]i cannot believe someone finally has said that thinking sexual harassment might not be good is virtue signaling amazing[/QUOTE] You're implying there was there was in fact an act of sexual harassment rather than allegations of it, and if you know more about the incidents you should address it to the proper authorities. Otherwise you're an idiot for taking these accusations at face value from people who refuse to present any evidence.

why the fuck do these people seem to want to alienate their own fucking allies, of course there could be more, but so far there is no "there", there

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52543419]why the fuck do these people seem to want to alienate their own fucking allies, of course there could be more, but so far there is no "there", there[/QUOTE] Because allies who sexually harass people aren't allies at all. This isn't saying Nick is or isn't guilty, but you shouldnt sweep someones misconduct under the rug because they're an "ally"

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52543462]Because allies who sexually harass people aren't allies at all. This isn't saying Nick is or isn't guilty, but you shouldnt sweep someones misconduct under the rug because they're an "ally"[/QUOTE] They've defended literal pedophiles and child molesters before.

here's my view: If you want to keep the evidence private for whatever reason, that's cool. But have the common goddamn decency to keep the accusations private, too. Because if you accuse somebody of something as serious and potentially career/life ruining as sexual harassment in a public light, you [I]will[/I] get people asking you for proof. And if you refuse to provide that proof, suddenly your entire argument becomes suspect. This is bad for [I]everybody.[/I] It's bad for the accused (obviously) because people come out of the woodwork to suddenly condemn them over unsubstantiated claims. It's bad for the accus[i]ers[/i] because they get people coming out in defense of their target claiming the whole thing is a smear campagin, and it does nothing but foster conflict between people who really shouldn't have any reason to fight. If Nick did bad shit and somebody wants to oust him for it? Fair game, that's the internet. But you can't just [I]say[/I] somebody did some bad stuff then act all hurt and offended when people ask you to prove it. No, the people doing the accusing don't "owe" any of us random yahoos anything. But they can't expect to be treated like their word is sacrosanct just because they're supposedly "victims". See, this is my point. Let's say that Nick [I]has[/I] been sexually harassing people: If that's the case, then the victims of that crime are drawing unnecessary ire towards themselves by accusing Nick of it without backing themselves up, and suddenly we get all this talk of "victim blaming" and it just spirals on and on and [I]on.[/I] Right now, all I - personally - know is this: A lot of people are suddenly demonizing a content creator over a bunch of very serious allegations, but nobody has provided any public evidence to support the claims. And as a result, we have people taking sides in a conflict that shouldn't even be happening. One side "standing with the victims" and acting as though the mere fact somebody gets accused of a crime mean's they're basically Evil Incarnate. And another side coming forward and pestering the other side/the accusers for receipts and evidence, calling the whole thing a smear campaign, and undoubtedly somebody somewhere will twist this to blame it on "SJW's" or "Feminists" or some other hot-button group. What a goddamn mess.

[QUOTE=RonthisTW;52543268]its definitely unprofessional, but if this is the extent of the shit he's done then it would be extremely foolish to fire one of their most beloved personalities over something so trivial[/QUOTE] You clearly don't understand how Polygon operates.

i understand how airing out your doubts can be a really shitty thing to do if there's potential victims out there but the way I'm seeing some people act in this twitter chain like one person saying "why don't you just come out and say you hate women" in response to one of the dudes who wanted proof is like... jesus. there are potential victims here and automatically going "what if they're all liars?" sets a bad precedent for other victims coming forward, true but i think having some arbitrary number of victims coming forward at which point any allegations are 100% true no ifs ands or buts also sets a dangerous precedent, doesn't it? a norm like that could certainly be abused to ruin people. but none of us have [I]any real idea[/I] what's actually going on here so I feel like actively 'taking a side' is kind of irresponsible if not pointless, whether you lean one way or the other. Edit: having just seen it, the chatlog is pretty creepy and embarrassing but I've probably seen worse attempts at flirting that never really ended up as full-on-holy-shit-dude harassment even if it is pretty damn unprofessional.

[QUOTE=Crimor;52543483]They've defended literal pedophiles and child molesters before.[/QUOTE] Who the fuck is 'they'? The group you seem to be referring to is vague and seems to change definition depending on whatever shit you want to throw at them.

[QUOTE=Carlito;52544236]Who the fuck is 'they'? The group you seem to be referring to is vague and seems to change definition depending on whatever shit you want to throw at them.[/QUOTE] Well, for example, anyone who's defended Sarah Nyberg. Feminist Frequency has quoted her openly, despite the fact she's fucking awful. There were also all those people defending Allison Rapp.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52543369]I'd just say keep in mind that there's more than one person who is accusing him of harassment. I wouldn't take one person's chat logs as proof one way or the other.[/QUOTE] I'm not screeching "it's just an SJW hatemob" nor am I trying to "victim blame," if I'm using that term right, but legit or not we can't really trust all the accusations to be legitimate anyway. Any time someone of notoriety has something like this happen to them, folks come out of the woodwork to profit off of it, because they don't like him or he was rude to them or any number of potentially unrelated things. I don't really know how to tie this into all these other discussions but I guess in short, when all these accusations start flying, especially with no concrete proof, take it with a grain of salt and consider that sometimes people are just dicks. Regardless, I'll be glad to see this resolved one way or the other. It shouldn't have gotten to this point to begin with, let alone where i know the internet will take it in the future if it's not resolved soon. I'm personally taking a neutral route on this, I've only just started delving into Polygons stuff by extension of just getting into the McElroy's work. I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that it's MAC-Elroy and not MIC-Elroy.

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At least he owned up to it. I'm not saying it absolves him, but a lot of people would double down or make half-assed excuses and half-apologies (I'm sorry you misinterpreted me, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, etc.) He didn't do that, he made a formal apology and admission of wrongdoing. For me at least, that counts for something.

Yeah that's honestly surprising that he just came out and was like "yup, that's on me". I guess I'm so used to public figures trying to weasel their way out of taking responsibility that this is pretty rare. Honestly the fact that he's apologizing the right way though will probably be his saving grace. He'll likely move on to other things and be okay.

Lots of respect initially lost, but some regained as he owned up to it. I wish him the best and I hope I can enjoy content from him again.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52559746]Yeah that's honestly surprising that he just came out and was like "yup, that's on me". I guess I'm so used to public figures trying to weasel their way out of taking responsibility that this is pretty rare. Honestly the fact that he's apologizing the right way though will probably be his saving grace. He'll likely move on to other things and be okay.[/QUOTE] Nick Robinson strikes me as a relatively genuine individual and that's reinforced by his response. Good to see he had some integrity.