Comcast hints at plan for paid fast lanes after net neutrality repeal - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52934075]I mean we've been saying that since the 1890s and not much has happened[/QUOTE] I know I've been saying that for a long time. But now I think that we're gonna bend over and take anything they give us. It's time to look for a new world power honestly.

Oh boy. We got RCN to specifically avoid Comcast and have actually been enjoying the fact it doesn't randomly drop right outside Philadelpha, [B]the fucking headquarters of Comcast.[/B]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52934075]I mean we've been saying that since the 1890s and not much has happened[/QUOTE] I don't think we've reached the true breaking point yet. But if things continue the way they are I genuinely believe that eventually the average American will reach a point where they can no longer afford to live at what is considered an 'adequate' standard of living anymore in this country. It's hard to deny effects are genuinely manifesting when Americans go to restaurants less, movies less, buy houses less, etc. There's a reason piracy is so huge. Without restraint on how far they push it eventually we won't be able to support most companies which hurts them and us both. Our standard of living goes down the toilet, their profits go down the toilet. And businessmen of today wouldn't know restraint if it refrained from slapping them across the face. There's a weird belief that's formed that nothing is ever going to happen and status quo will always reign supreme, that something fundamental has changed these days, people are too lazy or don't care enough, and things will simply stay the same. I don't believe that. Maybe I'm being sensationalist, but I think at some point in the 21st century there's going to be some form of major, disastrous conflict in America, whether that's mass riots, the economy completely fucking collapsing, the evaporation of the middle class, a full blown war, or some combination thereof, or something else. I think there are dark times ahead if things continue the way they are.

peope are actually going to start getting violent. mess with someones insulin medication? nah thats not too big, mess with normal joe's leisure time and porn access? heads will actually roll. look at what happened when they tried to ban porn and mess with the internet in india.

It's worth mentioning that this isn't [I]just[/I] fucking with your ability to get fresh hot memes as fast. This is the internet. This is them tampering with what might be considered the most substantial invention in human history to date. This is something almost everyone in this country [I]depends on.[/I] We don't yet know how all this horse shit is going to manifest until we take the plunge, but it could be fucking [I]bad.[/I] People's livelihoods might go away. What if it happens so that poor people can't even [I]use[/I] the internet anymore because the pricing on everything is too expensive? How many smaller things on the internet are going to end up dead because companies don't feel like letting anyone access them at a half decent speed, and it's not worth putting them in a package? What happens to pricing on things like Netflix when Netflix also has to pay these companies a ransom to make sure their customers can even access Netflix? A lot of Americans might lose their biggest (for many practically sole) source of entertainment. That's going to get people, and, hell, companies, to bring out the torches and pitchforks.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52934187]It's worth mentioning that this isn't [I]just[/I] fucking with your ability to get fresh hot memes as fast. This is the internet. This is them tampering with what might be considered the most substantial invention in human history to date. This is something almost everyone in this country [I]depends on.[/I] We don't yet know how all this horse shit is going to manifest until we take the plunge, but it could be fucking [I]bad.[/I] People's livelihoods might go away. What if it happens so that poor people can't even [I]use[/I] the internet anymore because the pricing on everything is too expensive? How many smaller things on the internet are going to end up dead because companies don't feel like letting anyone access them at a half decent speed, and it's not worth putting them in a package? What happens to pricing on things like Netflix when Netflix also has to pay these companies a ransom to make sure their customers can even access Netflix? A lot of Americans might lose their biggest (for many practically sole) source of entertainment. That's going to get people, and, hell, companies, to bring out the torches and pitchforks.[/QUOTE] Honestly at this point I hope that happens. Its clear its gonna pass, and a large backlash from not just redditors would maybe leak into other trump policies, and decrease republican support. Its just gonna suck balls to go through it though.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52934187]It's worth mentioning that this isn't [I]just[/I] fucking with your ability to get fresh hot memes as fast. This is the internet. This is them tampering with what might be considered the most substantial invention in human history to date. This is something almost everyone in this country [I]depends on.[/I] We don't yet know how all this horse shit is going to manifest until we take the plunge, but it could be fucking [I]bad.[/I] People's livelihoods might go away. What if it happens so that poor people can't even [I]use[/I] the internet anymore because the pricing on everything is too expensive? How many smaller things on the internet are going to end up dead because companies don't feel like letting anyone access them at a half decent speed, and it's not worth putting them in a package? What happens to pricing on things like Netflix when Netflix also has to pay these companies a ransom to make sure their customers can even access Netflix? A lot of Americans might lose their biggest (for many practically sole) source of entertainment. That's going to get people, and, hell, companies, to bring out the torches and pitchforks.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm surprised companies like Amazon and Netflix aren't throwing a huge fit against it(at least publicly) as an end to net neutrality could hurt their businesses. Hell an end to net neutrality could potentially kill off model railroading as the companies that make and sell the stuff for it are now heavily reliant on online sells and I'm sure this applies to other hobbies as well as physical hobby stores outside of big chains like Hobby Lobby are becoming few and between.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52934187]It's worth mentioning that this isn't [I]just[/I] fucking with your ability to get fresh hot memes as fast. This is the internet. This is them tampering with what might be considered the most substantial invention in human history to date. This is something almost everyone in this country [I]depends on.[/I] We don't yet know how all this horse shit is going to manifest until we take the plunge, but it could be fucking [I]bad.[/I] People's livelihoods might go away. What if it happens so that poor people can't even [I]use[/I] the internet anymore because the pricing on everything is too expensive? How many smaller things on the internet are going to end up dead because companies don't feel like letting anyone access them at a half decent speed, and it's not worth putting them in a package? What happens to pricing on things like Netflix when Netflix also has to pay these companies a ransom to make sure their customers can even access Netflix? A lot of Americans might lose their biggest (for many practically sole) source of entertainment. That's going to get people, and, hell, companies, to bring out the torches and pitchforks.[/QUOTE] IT's not just entertainment. It's employment. It's healthcare. It's finances. [B]Literally every aspect of modern life revolves around the internet.[/B] Under this shit, we would have to pay our ISPs for the privelege to jobhunt, because god knows they won't want anyone to try to get employed anywhere that isn't them. We'll have to pay our ISPs to manage our finances. We'll have to pay our ISPs for the ability to pay our other bills. They're going to fuck themselves over as hard as they're going to fuck us. They just don't realize it. [QUOTE=nagachief;52933950]That's basically how I feel. It feels extremely irresponsible to have children nowadays because of how shit things have gotten. And honestly at this rate uprising may be the only option left to fix the internet since the official channels have stopped listening.[/QUOTE] While I do agree it's irresponsible to breed in this day and age, this isn't why. America isn't doomed. America isn't ruined. Not yet. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Bbarnes005;52934232]Yeah I'm surprised companies like Amazon and Netflix aren't throwing a huge fit against it(at least publicly) as an end to net neutrality could hurt their businesses. Hell an end to net neutrality could potentially kill off model railroading as the companies that make and sell the stuff for it are now heavily reliant on online sells and I'm sure this applies to other hobbies as well as physical hobby stores outside of big chains like Hobby Lobby are becoming few and between.[/QUOTE] Hah. Funny you bring this up. I'm also a model railroader [I]and my LHS is ModelTrainStuff.[/I] Well, them, and eBay. And occasionally Trainworld or Streamlined Backshop or whatever. I live in a black hole where physical hobby shops live at most two years before shuttering. I have to drive over an hour each way to visit one that won't do that, and so I rely on the internet to let me enjoy any sort of model related hobby. Could be static models, too, I've built more than my fair share of /35th tanks. Or maybe hobby grade RC? I even buy fuel for my NTC3 online because it's a bit crazy to go an hour each way to buy the stuff local.

[QUOTE=Richardroth;52933930]That's what I heard, I don't know how exactly they'd go about doing that but it's fucked up if it's true, all the more reason why it should be struck down.[/QUOTE] NN rules were set by the FCC. However, congress is planning on limiting their ability to change this in the future. It's not really permanent but it means you have to do more than just re-stock the FCC to change them again. Dems didn't make net neutrality permanent because they didn't control congress so it was kind of impossible.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52933906]Waitwaitwait, this [I]new[/I] change is going to be permanent? Bloody fucking hell, thanks Trump.[/QUOTE] theres no such thing as a permanent fcc decision. one law or one supreme court ruling is all it takes. all it means is the fcc isnt going back on it without outside intervention

i think its time one of you guys tweeted elon musk

If you're american, this is THE time to get active. If this happens, the entire world is going to suffer from this shit directly by worse services and indirectly by setting a precedent for other nations to abolish net neutrality as well.

Land of the free, for a fee.

[QUOTE=DrDevil;52934656]If you're american, this is THE time to get active. If this happens, the entire world is going to suffer from this shit directly by worse services and indirectly by setting a precedent for other nations to abolish net neutrality as well.[/QUOTE] I think a lot of people are missing that point. They say "Sucks to be in America", well when America sneezes, everyone catches the cold at some point.

This is the same as when companies "overbook" airplanes. They're "overbooking" their network instead of upgrading it. Now they're creating VIP cables.

What the internet needs is for the major porn companies to come out against this. Threaten the porn industry and you're in for a world of pain.

Unregulated capitalism is the fucking best eh [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] See the way to get companies to stop violently fucking you is to give them total and free carte blanche to violently fuck you. In an unregulated market of violent fucking it levels out and no more violent fucking happens. Don't @ me you'll violate my NAP

[QUOTE=nagachief;52933950]That's basically how I feel. It feels extremely irresponsible to have children nowadays because of how shit things have gotten. And honestly at this rate uprising may be the only option left to fix the internet since the official channels have stopped listening.[/QUOTE] I was thinking about this last night. How bad is it going to get until we need to physically fight for our rights? Repealing net neutrality should be met with the same backlash as when Egypt tried banning social media

[QUOTE=Kylel999;52934951]I was thinking about this last night. How bad is it going to get until we need to physically fight for our rights? Repealing net neutrality should be met with the same backlash as when Egypt tried banning social media[/QUOTE] If there is any reason to riot, it is because of corporate and government tyranny. Exactly the situation America finds itself in.

When you go so far with deregulation that you come full circle and make everything authoritarian. :v:

I feel bad for the people who think they won't be affected because they don't live in America.

[QUOTE=geel9;52935284]I feel bad for the people who think they won't be affected because they don't live in America.[/QUOTE] I just feel shitty being a canadian knowing that my country already fucks me with my ISP, and now a country I have no say in is going to make that 10 times worse. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] And I don't want anyone to act like 4 years from now we can reverse this. You can't. This is how things will be going forward. Part of what makes that the case is that once the rules change on December 14th, good luck searching for Net Neutrality, let alone making impassioned pleas with the public. They'll never make it to the public. Once they have it, it's gone, and we're not getting it back. It'll be guarded and protected by the ISP's and even mentioning it online won't be something that you can do, so discussions and activism will die out and we'll lose our internet. It'll just be another corporate ad funnel

I'm not sure how this affects people outside the US. Would that mean websites hosted in the US will be throttled by ISPs for those out of the US? I suppose if that's the case most people will just host elsewhere where that's not the case so I'm not sure if that's really an issue.

:snip: misread

[QUOTE=_Axel;52935351]I'm not sure how this affects people outside the US. Would that mean websites hosted in the US will be throttled by ISPs for those out of the US? I suppose if that's the case most people will just host elsewhere where that's not the case so I'm not sure if that's really an issue.[/QUOTE] The US has been the trendsetter for almost a hundred years. When they legislate this away, China will go full bore with their plan, and any nation not on that boat is going to lack control over their own citizens in a way those countries who opted in won't. And you're correct, once the ISP's in the US can throttle foreign traffic they will, and they'll charge nations, foreign companies, anyone who they can to access that content.

Why cant the next president bring it back? [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] What would it take to start a new isp? Maybe if It used net neutrality as a selling point it could stay afloat against comcast?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52935372]The US has been the trendsetter for almost a hundred years. When they legislate this away, China will go full bore with their plan, and any nation not on that boat is going to lack control over their own citizens in a way those countries who opted in won't.[/QUOTE] I don't follow. The US has only been a trendsetter as long as their policies were beneficial to the economy, and this won't be. They're currently losing that trendsetter status. As shitty as it was that they did in the first place, no other country followed in their footsteps when they left the Paris agreement. Also, I'm not sure how it relates to China. This is about giving complete control over the internet to corporations. China is doing the opposite, the government is actively censoring and monitoring what can and cannot be on their network. It's not about the nations' control, it's about the monopolies'. [QUOTE]And you're correct, once the ISP's in the US can throttle foreign traffic they will, and they'll charge nations, foreign companies, anyone who they can to access that content.[/QUOTE] Why would anybody host their stuff in the US then? Why not host it in neighboring countries where anyone in the world can access it freely?

[QUOTE=Firetornado;52935384]Why cant the next president bring it back? [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] What would it take to start a new isp? Maybe if It used net neutrality as a selling point it could stay afloat against comcast?[/QUOTE] Google couldn't make meaningful progress in wired ISP land, no one else stands a chance. The roadblocks are not straightforward monetary ones, they are legislative ones in terms of actually getting wires to the end user. Really, the best hope of a unrestricted internet is going to be through wireless, like SpaceX's plan to use satellites.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;52935437]Google couldn't make meaningful progress in wired ISP land, no one else stands a chance. The roadblocks are not straightforward monetary ones, they are legislative ones in terms of actually getting wires to the end user. Really, the best hope of a unrestricted internet is going to be through wireless, like SpaceX's plan to use satellites.[/QUOTE] Usually how things work. Wireless makes it was around most telephone era legislation. Like where I used to live in Missisippi one company was given exclusive rights to any terrestrial line back in the 50's since Bell wouldn't lay line there and ever since they've just let ADSL infrastructure stagnate there. They have a legal monopoly for the area. The WISP I worked at though could move in as we weren't using terrestrial lines. Well, after fighting tooth and nail with the company to get the water company to let us use their water towers for broadcast since the DSL owner also owned the cell company that had all the towers in the area.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52935434]I don't follow. The US has only been a trendsetter as long as their policies were beneficial to the economy, and this won't be. They're currently losing that trendsetter status. As shitty as it was that they did in the first place, no other country followed in their footsteps when they left the Paris agreement. Also, I'm not sure how it relates to China. This is about giving complete control over the internet to corporations. China is doing the opposite, the government is actively censoring and monitoring what can and cannot be on their network. It's not about the nations' control, it's about the monopolies'. Why would anybody host their stuff in the US then? Why not host it in neighboring countries where anyone in the world can access it freely?[/QUOTE] The US policy still sets the tone globally. If US ISPS and the bulk of the trillion dollar corporations that call America home set that tone, it's the tone for the rest of the world. It might take a year or two, but that's the new norm once it's established. China is currently pushing for more control over their internet than they had previously, which considering how much power they've always had is a bit alarming. They're doing this for the same exact reasons why the US republican institutions are trying to kill NN here. Control. It doesn't matter that on one side of the fence this is about money, and on the other side of the fence it's about direct control, its all about limiting access to info. Who knows if they will, but I imagine that they really won't have a choice. Are other nations or companies going to build up massive infrastructures? I doubt it personally. I hope I'm wrong and that all of this is just coincidentally aligning to be shitty but I'm not very hopeful anymore.