Comcast hints at plan for paid fast lanes after net neutrality repeal - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=DaMastez;52935437]Google couldn't make meaningful progress in wired ISP land, no one else stands a chance. The roadblocks are not straightforward monetary ones, they are legislative ones in terms of actually getting wires to the end user.[/QUOTE] I'll never understand why there isn't a huge push on these types of issues. Many of the ISP monopolies are government sanctioned and enforced.

It's simple, we make a new internet.

The pig ain't dead yet, and they're already tying their bibs and sharpening their utensils.

I'll host a server in my basement with the internet on it. fuck my automerge

Not enough people are talking about the FCC blocking the NY AG's investigation into the phony comments. I think that needs to be pushed, if brought up in a court of law it should be noted that the FCC was complicit in the public opinion process being tampered with.

I do agree partly with HumanAbyss. The US is a trend-setter, so if like-minded nations realise that wiping out NN is possible, they'll try the same thing. That said, my hope is that other nations will realise what a terrible idea it is, and instead move to create their own hosting services and make it impossible to throttle the internet.

Enjoy your last week of NN while you can. Fucking hell.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52935584]I do agree partly with HumanAbyss. The US is a trend-setter, so if like-minded nations realise that wiping out NN is possible, they'll try the same thing. That said, my hope is that other nations will realise what a terrible idea it is, and instead move to create their own hosting services and make it impossible to throttle the internet.[/QUOTE] Thankfully they aren't in all cases After all, if they were a trend setter on the topic of climate change we would be fucked, but the opposite is happening, though it's only been a year into Trumps presidency. Hopefully this same thing happens with the Internet, and the world sets the trend that the US follows.

I need the internet for my future and my career. I dont have a lot of money and Its my only open outlet. Im actually getting seriously depressed and hopeless. Why even live?

Let's be honest, it's not a matter of [I]stopping[/I] this from happening, it's how much of a fuss we'll all kick up when it does happen. But how much you want to bet these big companies and the FCC are going to smile, plug up their ears, and sit in their Ivory fucking Towers and wait it out? If we don't manage to kick up enough of a fuss to either strangle this in the cradle, or to get it repealed outright, we'll have lost. We [I]have[/I] to be loud and active as we can about this. If we slow down and lose the precious momentum that we need to keep fighting this, we're screwed.

The issue os that DSL lines are regulated to hell and back that it's impossible for a new ISP to enter the market. Fucking GOOGLE couldn't do it.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;52935575]I dunno, I'd imagine a [I]lot[/I] of people are not gonna follow what US does with all the bumblefuckery that's been going on in the recent times. Would you take example from a country ran by somebody who seems to be stuck at the mental level of a child?[/QUOTE] No, I personally wouldn't. But I'm also not being bribed by the ISP's who stand to make all of the money. If I was being bribed, I can imagine even my strongly held convictions might fold for a high enough dollar number. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;52935527]I'll never understand why there isn't a huge push on these types of issues. Many of the ISP monopolies are government sanctioned and enforced.[/QUOTE] I don't know either and it's a foundational issue of why this situation is so fucked. Unfortunately, the majority of the people I have seen raise this point, also support the dismantling of Title II regulations which to me seems like a bad idea all around. I'm all for the government stepping out and letting it be more free market, but I refuse to give up title II regulations if they allow us to keep net neutrality which would be gone in a free market with the government support. Honestly, this situation is so fucking fucked.

[QUOTE=Firetornado;52935206]When you go so far with deregulation that you come full circle and make everything authoritarian. :v:[/QUOTE] the ironic premise of the hard lib right. domination by private entity is functionally no different to domination by state.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52935689]the ironic premise of the hard lib right. domination by private entity is functionally no different to domination by state.[/QUOTE] The fantasy is that they get to be one of the ultra rich and lord over their fellow man as some form of neo-aristocrat. It's a collection of people who have money who directly benefit from this sort of shit, and morons without money who believe that they'll somehow manage to produce it before shit goes so tits-up that we enter an era of cyber-feudalism. This country is so fucking pathetically bloated with the latter that I can't help but wonder if we're just a lost cause.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52935481]Who knows if they will, but I imagine that they really won't have a choice. Are other nations or companies going to build up massive infrastructures? I doubt it personally.[/QUOTE] What are you trying to say? The internet already exists outside of the US. What massive infrastructures are there left to build if one wants to host their servers out of the US?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52935641]I don't know either and it's a foundational issue of why this situation is so fucked. Unfortunately, the majority of the people I have seen raise this point, also support the dismantling of Title II regulations which to me seems like a bad idea all around. I'm all for the government stepping out and letting it be more free market, but I refuse to give up title II regulations if they allow us to keep net neutrality which would be gone in a free market with the government support. Honestly, this situation is so fucking fucked.[/QUOTE] The argument against Title II has footing though. I personally was disappointed when the FCC finally made their decision. Title II is meant for a different communications medium and the portions they applied is not nearly far enough. I am however of the opinion that we shouldn't touch it until there's something completely drawn up from scratch and agreed upon to replace it. Unfortunately when I emailed my rep I only got the first part of that as the response...

[QUOTE=_Axel;52935778]What are you trying to say? The internet already exists outside of the US. What massive infrastructures are there left to build if one wants to host their servers out of the US?[/QUOTE] Yes, but correct me if I'm wrong, are there not parts of the infrastructure that makes up the internet that are more than just wires that takes some work to maintain? network centres and data hubs. You don't just lay cable under the street and call it done, there's work to be done to maintain it and continue it. And IIRC, aren't some of the biggest hubs like that in the US?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52935855]Yes, but correct me if I'm wrong, are there not parts of the infrastructure that makes up the internet that are more than just wires that takes some work to maintain? network centres and data hubs. You don't just lay cable under the street and call it done, there's work to be done to maintain it and continue it. And IIRC, aren't some of the biggest hubs like that in the US?[/QUOTE] I mean at a point this was more true but the internet is so widespread these days that there's root servers all over the place. The latency and capacity issues of running so much of the internet through the US hasn't been viable for a while. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] There would definitely be work, but it's nowhere near as massive as it used to be.

I think that the most annoying part of this is that Comcast could easily use all that Fiber that various cities paid them to install a looong time ago to run actual fast lanes, but they won't. The fact that they took the money and ran already pisses me off, but this bothers me even more.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;52935575]I dunno, I'd imagine a [I]lot[/I] of people are not gonna follow what US does with all the bumblefuckery that's been going on in the recent times. Would you take example from a country ran by somebody who seems to be stuck at the mental level of a child?[/QUOTE] it's not that the rest of the world is trying to follow america, it's just that it sent the bar for what is possible to fuck with that much lower. we don't invite the worst in people, but rather the worst [I]of[/I] people.

Just to give a quick idea as to how shitty Comcast is, here's a story from 3-4 months ago. We get a call from Comcast, saying that our "router is leaking data" and is "interfering with other customers in the neighborhood". So we say "yeah that's bullshit" and hang up. The next day, unannounced, some dude comes to our door with only a clipboard and a Comcast baseball cap, plus his van that's parked conspicuously like 3~ blocks away, asking to come inside. We make it clear that there is no "data leak" and that he should have called beforehand, and shut the door in his face. That same day, we get a call from Comcast, again. "We're going to have to schedule a patch for your router and fix the leak, its really causing an interference!" So we tell them "Fine, Tuesday at 3PM." In the meantime, we go around the neighborhood and ask our neighbors if they've had any issues. Not one says they had interference of any kind. We call Comcast about the issue and we get nothing but robots and not a single person. They, for some strange reason, never showed up for the appointment. tl;dr: They - - Lied to our faces about a non-existent issue - Sent workers, unannounced and unmarked, to our property - Continuously harassed us to fix the imaginary problem All so they could probably slap us with another charge on our already atrocious monthly bill. Now Comcast has the fucking nuts to advertise them doing cellular service. [editline]2nd December 2017[/editline] And before you say "Well what about legitimate RF interference?" our signal is so fucking weak that if you go to certain rooms of the house, you will [I]not[/I] get wi-fi access. Stepping just a few feet outside completely cuts you out. It would be impossible for neighbors to get interference unless it was somehow firing a precise beam directly into their houses.

France should annex USA. The obvious and the effortless solution to net neutrality violation. Maybe they'll take care of you better than you do yourselves. Alternativly you can peacefully protest the hell out of it, if that'll change something.

It's really something how much ISPs can vary from country to country. Last year I spent 6 months in Belgium and the price and contracts for landline services there were on par with France's... Mobile services. Never been to a house with a legit data cap until I went there.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52940797]Just to give a quick idea as to how shitty Comcast is, here's a story from 3-4 months ago. We get a call from Comcast, saying that our "router is leaking data" and is "interfering with other customers in the neighborhood". So we say "yeah that's bullshit" and hang up. The next day, unannounced, some dude comes to our door with only a clipboard and a Comcast baseball cap, plus his van that's parked conspicuously like 3~ blocks away, asking to come inside. We make it clear that there is no "data leak" and that he should have called beforehand, and shut the door in his face. That same day, we get a call from Comcast, again. "We're going to have to schedule a patch for your router and fix the leak, its really causing an interference!" So we tell them "Fine, Tuesday at 3PM." In the meantime, we go around the neighborhood and ask our neighbors if they've had any issues. Not one says they had interference of any kind. We call Comcast about the issue and we get nothing but robots and not a single person. They, for some strange reason, never showed up for the appointment. tl;dr: They - - Lied to our faces about a non-existent issue - Sent workers, unannounced and unmarked, to our property - Continuously harassed us to fix the imaginary problem All so they could probably slap us with another charge on our already atrocious monthly bill. Now Comcast has the fucking nuts to advertise them doing cellular service. [editline]2nd December 2017[/editline] And before you say "Well what about legitimate RF interference?" our signal is so fucking weak that if you go to certain rooms of the house, you will [I]not[/I] get wi-fi access. Stepping just a few feet outside completely cuts you out. It would be impossible for neighbors to get interference unless it was somehow firing a precise beam directly into their houses.[/QUOTE] For some reason that actually struck me as a robbery attempt and they were casing the place. So you might have dodged a bullet. If it was actually them, that's a pretty shady way of doing business.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52940797]Just to give a quick idea as to how shitty Comcast is, here's a story from 3-4 months ago. We get a call from Comcast, saying that our "router is leaking data" and is "interfering with other customers in the neighborhood". So we say "yeah that's bullshit" and hang up. The next day, unannounced, some dude comes to our door with only a clipboard and a Comcast baseball cap, plus his van that's parked conspicuously like 3~ blocks away, asking to come inside. We make it clear that there is no "data leak" and that he should have called beforehand, and shut the door in his face. That same day, we get a call from Comcast, again. "We're going to have to schedule a patch for your router and fix the leak, its really causing an interference!" So we tell them "Fine, Tuesday at 3PM." In the meantime, we go around the neighborhood and ask our neighbors if they've had any issues. Not one says they had interference of any kind. We call Comcast about the issue and we get nothing but robots and not a single person. They, for some strange reason, never showed up for the appointment. tl;dr: They - - Lied to our faces about a non-existent issue - Sent workers, unannounced and unmarked, to our property - Continuously harassed us to fix the imaginary problem All so they could probably slap us with another charge on our already atrocious monthly bill. Now Comcast has the fucking nuts to advertise them doing cellular service. [editline]2nd December 2017[/editline] And before you say "Well what about legitimate RF interference?" our signal is so fucking weak that if you go to certain rooms of the house, you will [I]not[/I] get wi-fi access. Stepping just a few feet outside completely cuts you out. It would be impossible for neighbors to get interference unless it was somehow firing a precise beam directly into their houses.[/QUOTE] Sounds more like the work of a really shite scam artist or someone casing the place for a robbery tbh.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52940797]Just to give a quick idea as to how shitty Comcast is, here's a story from 3-4 months ago. We get a call from Comcast, saying that our "router is leaking data" and is "interfering with other customers in the neighborhood". So we say "yeah that's bullshit" and hang up. The next day, unannounced, some dude comes to our door with only a clipboard and a Comcast baseball cap, plus his van that's parked conspicuously like 3~ blocks away, asking to come inside. We make it clear that there is no "data leak" and that he should have called beforehand, and shut the door in his face. That same day, we get a call from Comcast, again. "We're going to have to schedule a patch for your router and fix the leak, its really causing an interference!" So we tell them "Fine, Tuesday at 3PM." In the meantime, we go around the neighborhood and ask our neighbors if they've had any issues. Not one says they had interference of any kind. We call Comcast about the issue and we get nothing but robots and not a single person. They, for some strange reason, never showed up for the appointment. tl;dr: They - - Lied to our faces about a non-existent issue - Sent workers, unannounced and unmarked, to our property - Continuously harassed us to fix the imaginary problem All so they could probably slap us with another charge on our already atrocious monthly bill. Now Comcast has the fucking nuts to advertise them doing cellular service. [editline]2nd December 2017[/editline] And before you say "Well what about legitimate RF interference?" our signal is so fucking weak that if you go to certain rooms of the house, you will [I]not[/I] get wi-fi access. Stepping just a few feet outside completely cuts you out. It would be impossible for neighbors to get interference unless it was somehow firing a precise beam directly into their houses.[/QUOTE] Gonna agree with everyone else here, sounds like they were casing you for robbery. Did you ask to see their Comcast ID? Did you check the phone number they were calling from to make sure it actually was a legit Comcast number? Comcast is a crappy company, but that doesn't sound like anything they'd do. If any kind of Comcast employee comes to your house, it's them trying to up-sale you on their services. And even then, they should have a solicitors badge on. Not someone saying "your internet is broke let me fix please". You can pick my wireless up with a decent 1-2 bar signal in a 3 house radius, I guess I'm leaking data too.

No, we received a call and e-mail from Comcast as well as a notification in the mail. The amount of calls and shit didn’t seem like any sort of casing, not to mention that Comcast is still trying to sell us a new router. Well, “lease” a new router or whatever they’ve called it. We got their number and called the local office and they confirmed that “this address appears to have a leakage issue with your router!”

google the phone numbers they called you with and see if they come up as comcast owned or independent.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52946146]No, we received a call and e-mail from Comcast as well as a notification in the mail. The amount of calls and shit didn’t seem like any sort of casing, not to mention that Comcast is still trying to sell us a new router. Well, “lease” a new router or whatever they’ve called it. We got their number and called the local office and they confirmed that “this address appears to have a leakage issue with your router!”[/QUOTE] Can they define to you what the fuck a "leakage issue" is?

[QUOTE=Zaravan;52935633]Let's be honest, it's not a matter of [I]stopping[/I] this from happening, it's how much of a fuss we'll all kick up when it does happen. But how much you want to bet these big companies and the FCC are going to smile, plug up their ears, and sit in their Ivory fucking Towers and wait it out? If we don't manage to kick up enough of a fuss to either strangle this in the cradle, or to get it repealed outright, we'll have lost. We [I]have[/I] to be loud and active as we can about this. If we slow down and lose the precious momentum that we need to keep fighting this, we're screwed.[/QUOTE] Sitting in thier ivory tower plugging their ears won't help much when they are dragged out of said towers to be drawn and quartered by an angry mob of millennials who just got fucked out of a future. We have a generation of people who grew up on the internet who made most of their friends online who are incapable of imagining a life without it, you take that away and there's no telling how bad the reaction will be from internet natives. If Comcast takes the ball and roles with it after this passes there will be bloodshed.