Officials thwart possible school shooting, 2 AR-15s found at teen's home. - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Zick-1957;53151074]Why it's always AR-15s???[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zombinie;53142412]Because the AR-15 is the honda civic of the firearms world. But it can also be the Ferrari. It is simple to maintain and teach about safety with, fun to shoot at the range, affordable for an entry gun (or expensive once you know what kind of AR-15 you really want), customizeable to all hell because it's essentially LEGO with the amount of aftermarket parts available so it's fun for tinkerers, perfect for hunting certain animals (not all, some say it is too weak to reliably drop larger deer without excellent accuracy), and perfect for home defense. That's why it's so popular. Because if you ask your average gun owner "OK, let's say you can only own one gun forever" they would probably pick the AR-15 because it is the jack of all trades.[/QUOTE]

How much is most basic AR-15 in like wallmart or something? I imagine it's around 3-4k USD?

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53151167]How much is most basic AR-15 in like wallmart or something? I imagine it's around 3-4k USD?[/QUOTE] Lmao no, that's really high end. Low end shitter rifles for a few hundred. Probably $400 ish. [editline]22nd February 2018[/editline] I built mine from parts and spent $1200

I dont understand calibers and all that stuff so in simple terms: If AR-15 was "Nissan Micra 1.0 L" in terms of power and price. What would the standard US Military type M16/M4 be? And what would typical Ak47 be? (trying to understand why people keep saying AR-15 is safe/shit/kids-gun compared to m16/m4 even though it's still a thing that shoots bullets)

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53151197]I dont understand calibers and all that stuff so in simple terms: If AR-15 was "Nissan Micra 1.0 L" in terms of power and price. What would the standard US Military type M16/M4 be?[/QUOTE] The difference is that the military one is full-auto and the other fires one shot per trigger pull. So IDK the M4 would probably be a tuned Micra that revs insanely higher. [quote]And what would typical Ak47 be?[/quote] Lada Niva. Not the best around, but dirt cheap, fears no mud, and near goddamn indestructible. The difference between civilian/military variants is the same as above. [QUOTE](trying to understand why people keep saying AR-15 is safe/shit/kids-gun compared to m16/m4 even though it's still a thing that shoots bullets)[/QUOTE] Basically one goes pop pop pop and the other goes bbrrrrttt.

And while we're talking about price, military M4's cost $1,000 a piece.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53151586]And while we're talking about price, military M4's cost $1,000 a piece.[/QUOTE] For the government, maybe. But before anyone starts going "wow you can buy machineguns in USA!!!" buying a legal, transferable NFA military rifle is expensive. Here's a mint condition, supposedly Vietnam era M16A1 for [B]$29,000[/B]. [url]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/749618308[/url] Nobody is realistically gonna put that money down to kill a few dozen people.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;53151732]For the government, maybe. But before anyone starts going "wow you can buy machineguns in USA!!!" buying a legal, transferable NFA military rifle is expensive. Here's a mint condition, supposedly Vietnam era M16A1 for [B]$29,000[/B]. [url]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/749618308[/url] Nobody is realistically gonna put that money down to kill a few dozen people.[/QUOTE] If you have the money and are gonna go out that way would you really give a fuck at that point? Imagine being the parents of one of these kids talking about committing a mass murder and losing your guns as a result I want to say I'd probably beat the kid bloody but that might be the reason he wanted to do it in the first place

From what the article presents there's no evidence an actual attack was being planned. Like, for all we know this was a teenager making an edgy joke, and then the police rolled up and found his brother's guns. I mean a threat absolutely should be taken seriously and investigated, but 'possible' is really the operating word in 'possible school shooting', and I feel like these news stories are presenting it a little more sensationally.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53151167]How much is most basic AR-15 in like wallmart or something? I imagine it's around 3-4k USD?[/QUOTE] Here's one for $499. [url]https://grabagun.com/ruger-ar-556-black-ar-15-223-5-56mm-16-1-inch-30rd.html[/url] Here's one for $399. [url]https://grabagun.com/del-ton-inc-rftm16-0-e-316-flt-6pos-16-223.html?source=igodigital[/url] Though they did get pricy during the whole "Obama's gonna take our guns away!!!" Thing and stores couldn't keep them on the shelf. Right now any self respecting gun store will have a handful of them to choose from. But just like with computers you can find some that come made with all your fancy after market stuff and thus comes at marked up price. In many cases your custom upgrades will cost more than the gun. Hell a nice sight will probably cost more than the gun alone.(may not always be the case)

I bought a Chinese AR-15 for $500 and slapped a semi-broken Russian scope on it, and it shot 3" at 100 yards. I then sold it and built an AR-15 for about $2000, and got it to shoot 1" at 100 yards.

[QUOTE=OvB;53152015]Here's one for $499. [url]https://grabagun.com/ruger-ar-556-black-ar-15-223-5-56mm-16-1-inch-30rd.html[/url] Here's one for $399. [url]https://grabagun.com/del-ton-inc-rftm16-0-e-316-flt-6pos-16-223.html?source=igodigital[/url] Though they did get pricy during the whole "Obama's gonna take our guns away!!!" Thing and stores couldn't keep them on the shelf. Right now any self respecting gun store will have a handful of them to choose from. But just like with computers you can find some that come made with all your fancy after market stuff and thus comes at marked up price. In many cases your custom upgrades will cost more than the gun. Hell a nice sight will probably cost more than the gun alone.(may not always be the case)[/QUOTE] [t]https://i.imgur.com/zTchl1j.png[/t] Interesting. (Probably secretly reported to somewhere in background)

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53152042][t]https://i.imgur.com/zTchl1j.png[/t] Interesting. (Probably secretly reported to somewhere in background)[/QUOTE] Interesting indeed. I apologise for your new criminal record. Are you allowed to look at other gun sites in your country?

[QUOTE=OvB;53152047]Interesting indeed. I apologise for your new criminal record. Are you allowed to look at other gun sites in your country?[/QUOTE] Well there are airsoft weapons :v:

[QUOTE=OvB;53152047]Are you allowed to look at other gun sites in your country?[/QUOTE] In case it's not clear, it's a block at the CDN level by the website operator. It sort of makes sense, the only audience for the company is Americans, so you could just ban every other country.

[QUOTE=nikomo;53152301]In case it's not clear, it's a block at the CDN level by the website operator. It sort of makes sense, the only audience for the company is Americans, so you could just ban every other country.[/QUOTE] I must've skipped over that bit in the screenshot. That makes a lot more sense and I feel silly

[QUOTE=Protocol7;53151732]For the government, maybe. But before anyone starts going "wow you can buy machineguns in USA!!!" buying a legal, transferable NFA military rifle is expensive. Here's a mint condition, supposedly Vietnam era M16A1 for [B]$29,000[/B]. [url]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/749618308[/url] Nobody is realistically gonna put that money down to kill a few dozen people.[/QUOTE] I mean shit dude the las vegas shooter wounded 850 people in 10 minutes with what essentially amounted to just a slightly worse automatic rifle, if you were to take a machine gun against a crowd you'd kill more than a few dozen.

[QUOTE=phygon;53156786]I mean shit dude the las vegas shooter wounded 850 people in 10 minutes with what essentially amounted to just a slightly worse automatic rifle, if you were to take a machine gun against a crowd you'd kill more than a few dozen.[/QUOTE] about half the wounds at las vegas were not from gunshots, but rather from stampeding etc... There were a total of 909 casualties. Out of those, 851 were wounded (94%). 58 people were killed (6%). Out of the total casualties, 422 of the wounds (46%) were gunshot wounds. 53% of victims (480 people) that day were either killed or wounded by the shooter. Out of the total casualties, 429 were wounded by things that were not gunshots (47%). Out of everyone who was hit by a bullet that day 87% survived. So the Las Vegas shooter hit a little over half of everyone who was hurt on that day. granted, 480 is not truly a small number - but statistically speaking the numbers of wounded that day were split between gunshots and other reasons.

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;53150190]Standard magazines for AR15s hold 20-30 rounds. High capacity by Cali standards, normal anywhere else. I think Cali only allows up to 10rd magazines so anything more than that would technically be "high capacity"[/QUOTE] Still, that's 1800-2700 rounds of ammo, wielded by one kid with a sinister plan. That's not spooky to you? [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;53151732]For the government, maybe. But before anyone starts going "wow you can buy machineguns in USA!!!" buying a legal, transferable NFA military rifle is expensive. Here's a mint condition, supposedly Vietnam era M16A1 for [B]$29,000[/B]. [url]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/749618308[/url] Nobody is realistically gonna put that money down to kill a few dozen people.[/QUOTE] Well, unless they already had one/had the money... But yes, exactly. So it boggles my mind that there are people in other threads wanting such things to be [I]easier[/I] to get, and their main complaint is price. So price is therefor an effective deterrent in [I]reducing[/I] the fire-power these criminals can obtain. [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;53151981]From what the article presents there's no evidence an actual attack was being planned. Like, for all we know this was a teenager making an edgy joke, and then the police rolled up and found his brother's guns. I mean a threat absolutely should be taken seriously and investigated, but 'possible' is really the operating word in 'possible school shooting', and I feel like these news stories are presenting it a little more sensationally.[/QUOTE] And yet, with an AR-15, other then figuring out how to get it there to begin with, you don't need much of a plan if you're just going to shoot up the place. Just magazines full of ammo and a trigger finger is all it takes.

That's not a lot of ammo between two people including a veteran, plus Those magazines don't appear to be loaded.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;53157254]Still, that's 1800-2700 rounds of ammo, wielded by one kid with a sinister plan. That's not spooky to you? [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] Well, unless they already had one/had the money... But yes, exactly. So it boggles my mind that there are people in other threads wanting such things to be [I]easier[/I] to get, and their main complaint is price. So price is therefor an effective deterrent in [I]reducing[/I] the fire-power these criminals can obtain. [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] And yet, with an AR-15, other then figuring out how to get it there to begin with, you don't need much of a plan if you're just going to shoot up the place. Just magazines full of ammo and a trigger finger is all it takes.[/QUOTE] Having thousands of rounds of ammo is pretty common

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;53157254]Well, unless they already had one/had the money... But yes, exactly. So it boggles my mind that there are people in other threads wanting such things to be [I]easier[/I] to get, and their main complaint is price. So price is therefor an effective deterrent in [I]reducing[/I] the fire-power these criminals can obtain.[/QUOTE] That's why grenades, bombs, and rockets, things which don't have artificially inflated prices but follow the same 6-12 month FBI/ATF background check process, are regularly used in mass shootings. Except they're not. And this has been explained to you, repeatedly. And you just keep ignoring it. [QUOTE=Zero-Point;53157254]And yet, with an AR-15, other then figuring out how to get it there to begin with, you don't need much of a plan if you're just going to shoot up the place. Just magazines full of ammo and a trigger finger is all it takes.[/QUOTE] If you're going to go on a stabbing spree or run a bunch of people over with a car, all you'd have at home is a knife or a car. This tells us exactly nothing about their motivations or intentions, only that they had the capacity to carry out a crime. What's the argument here?

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;53157254]Still, that's 1800-2700 rounds of ammo, wielded by one kid with a sinister plan. That's not spooky to you? [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] Well, unless they already had one/had the money... But yes, exactly. So it boggles my mind that there are people in other threads wanting such things to be [I]easier[/I] to get, and their main complaint is price. So price is therefor an effective deterrent in [I]reducing[/I] the fire-power these criminals can obtain. [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] And yet, with an AR-15, other then figuring out how to get it there to begin with, you don't need much of a plan if you're just going to shoot up the place. Just magazines full of ammo and a trigger finger is all it takes.[/QUOTE] I've been known to dump 3000 rounds in a single range trip on a number of occasions. I currently have close to 8000 rounds of 5.56. know why? everything is cheaper in bulk.

[QUOTE=catbarf;53157680]That's why grenades, bombs, and rockets, things which don't have artificially inflated prices but follow the same 6-12 month FBI/ATF background check process, are regularly used in mass shootings. Except they're not. And this has been explained to you, repeatedly. And you just keep ignoring it.[/quote] They're not. I wonder why. Is it because they're more difficult to obtain than quite possibly almost every fire-arm used with tremendous lethal efficiency in these shootings? Not IMPOSSIBLE, just HARDER? Or that they're not as convenient, and that's solely it. Not their lethal efficacy, but how easy and convenient it is to get? THAT is the point that I'm arguing and THAT is the point that you seemingly keep replacing with "BAN EVERYTHING IT'S THE ONLY WAY!" in your head. [quote]If you're going to go on a stabbing spree or run a bunch of people over with a car, all you'd have at home is a knife or a car. This tells us exactly nothing about their motivations or intentions, only that they had the capacity to carry out a crime. What's the argument here?[/QUOTE] A gun has one purpose: To make its user more destructive. That's it. It doesn't matter if it's targets, people, animals, whatever, it's a destructive force multiplier. I'm not saying literally NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD/COUNTRY can have one under any circumstances, I'm saying it shoudn't be [I]easy to get one[/I]. [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=butre;53157692]I've been known to dump 3000 rounds in a single range trip on a number of occasions. I currently have close to 8000 rounds of 5.56. know why? everything is cheaper in bulk.[/QUOTE] Okay, we've already acknowledged that there are perfectly legitimate reasons for both why you would need/want that much ammo and how it could possibly be perceived as spooky. It wasn't the amount that spooked me, it's the amount PLUS what he was planning on doing with it, and how perceivable easy/quick it can be to obtain that much for such a diabolical purpose through fast, convenient, and perfectly legal venues.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;53158039]They're not. I wonder why. Is it because they're more difficult to obtain than quite possibly almost every fire-arm used with tremendous lethal efficiency in these shootings? Not IMPOSSIBLE, just HARDER? Or that they're not as convenient, and that's solely it. Not their lethal efficacy, but how easy and convenient it is to get?[/QUOTE] How on [I]earth[/I] is it this difficult for you to understand that if other lethal, effective weapons that [I]don't[/I] have artificially increased prices, but still have the same intensive background check and screening process, aren't used by mass killers, then clearly it's not the artificial price hike deterring their use? You just keep repeating some variation on essentially 'if machine guns aren't so expensive, people will use them in mass shootings' when the number of mass shootings that have involved shit like rocket launchers and grenade launchers is also zero, despite the fact that those are still register-able, but still extensively regulated through the same NFA process. [I]Maybe[/I] it's not the price tag for someone who literally intends to die carrying out the act, [I]maybe[/I] it's the fact that anyone with any red flags on their personal history is not going to get through the background check and will probably trigger an honest-to-god FBI investigation by trying. This isn't even a huge deal but it bothers the hell out of me that you keep bringing up this same point, apparently ignoring everything that's been explained, and twisting it into this crazy strawman that I'm implying you want everything banned forever. [editline]25th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;53158039]and how perceivable easy/quick it can be to obtain that much for such a diabolical purpose through fast, convenient, and perfectly legal venues.[/QUOTE] Let me introduce you to my good friend ammonium nitrate.