Nintendo suffers $97 million loss despite Mario Kart success - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;45544971]Let's just nip this in the bud and have you guys argue about which of [url=http://i.imgur.com/SeN1HcG.png]these[/url] you consider "good."[/QUOTE] Doesn't really matter what I think - if they don't step up their game, they will eventually go bankrupt. WiiU is a disaster and people are slowly starting to get bored of Mario Local Galaxy Cluster 34.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45544920]What [I]good[/I] IPs have they made? [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda_media[/url][/QUOTE] That's only 16 main series Zelda games

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45545007]That's only 16 main series Zelda games[/QUOTE] Spin-offs don't count? And 16 isn't a lot?

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545000]Doesn't really matter what I think - if they don't step up their game, they will eventually go bankrupt. WiiU is a disaster and people are slowly starting to get bored of Mario Local Galaxy Cluster 34.[/QUOTE] I am [i]so[/i] not concerned about that even becoming a possibility.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545000]Doesn't really matter what I think - if they don't step up their game, they will eventually go bankrupt. WiiU is a disaster and people are slowly starting to get bored of Mario Local Galaxy Cluster 34.[/QUOTE] Nintendo is far from going bankrupt, they have enough money to last themselves forty years

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545010]Spin-offs don't count? And 16 isn't a lot?[/QUOTE] not when you take games like madden into consideration [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45545016]Nintendo is far from going bankrupt, they have enough money to last themselves forty years[/QUOTE] I know they could stay alive for "decades" with the losses they're taking now, but I wasn't aware it was 40 years

[QUOTE=Makol;45545021]not when you take games like madden into consideration[/QUOTE] That's just not a good comparison. [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45545016]Nintendo is far from going bankrupt, they have enough money to last themselves forty years[/QUOTE] Do you really think they'll keep making games if it means hemorrhaging money every year?

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545029]That's just not a good comparison.[/QUOTE] Guess you're right. Madden doesn't change, Zelda does. Madden has a shit load of games with little change while each Zelda game is significantly different.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545029]That's just not a good comparison. [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] Do you really think they'll keep making games if it means hemorrhaging money every year?[/QUOTE] yea because there are people who love to buy and play Nintendo Games

And besides: they've made over sixty games in the past two years alone, what constitutes as "stepping up their game" to you? Actually, let me answer myself for you and spare both of us from going through the same motions I've gone through with countless others. It's the same thing every single other person who wants Nintendo to "step up their game" considers the only proper way to do so: either release a system that's the equivalent of a 360 controller taped to a PS4 or just go third-party, am I right?

I feel like a lot of Nintendo's old fans have grown up and really don't have the time/money to own a Wii U and this generation of gamers are more Xbox and Playstation fans.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;45545074]I feel like a lot of Nintendo's old fans have grown up and really don't have the time/money to own a Wii U and this generation of gamers are more Xbox and Playstation fans.[/QUOTE] That's pretty accurate.

[QUOTE=Makol;45545043]Guess you're right. Madden doesn't change, Zelda does. Madden has a shit load of games with little change while each Zelda game is significantly different.[/QUOTE] Sports games have one driving idea behind them - to simulate a sport to the finest details. I'm defending EA here, mind you, but each year they release a game that's better than last year, even if only slightly. If you skip a year you can easily see a difference. Madden [I]can't [/I]change, because American football doesn't change. It's a bad comparison, because it's inane to compare the two. [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;45545069]And besides: they've made over sixty games in the past two years alone, what constitutes as "stepping up their game" to you? Actually, let me answer myself for you and spare both of us from going through the same motions I've gone through with countless others. It's the same thing every single other person who wants Nintendo to "step up their game" considers the only proper way to do so: either release a system that's the equivalent of a 360 controller taped to a PS4 or just go third-party, am I right?[/QUOTE] How about... Producing new original franchises that don't rely on the same characters they've been using since 1980? Can you stop being a sarcastic dick? I'm sorry if you feel like I'm attacking your childhood or something.

I've been doing what you said, buying Madden every other year, and there is hardly any difference except myabe slightly better tacking animations and a new roster. Madden needs alot of improvement to actually be "good" again.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45543952]Dude, the gameplay is what makes the game.[/QUOTE] super mario 64 is so similar to super mario bros right

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[QUOTE=Makol;45545123]I've been doing what you said, buying Madden every other year, and there is hardly any difference except myabe slightly better tacking animations and a new roster. Madden needs alot of improvement to actually be "good" again.[/QUOTE] Can't argue with that, but my point was that you can't compare the two.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545088]How about... Producing new original franchises that don't rely on the same characters they've been using since 1980?[/QUOTE] Oh, I already gave you plenty of examples of them doing just that. But you probably didn't even give it more than a cursory glance, judging by your reply: [QUOTE=Stopper;45545000]Doesn't really matter what I think - if they don't step up their game, they will eventually go bankrupt. WiiU is a disaster and people are slowly starting to get bored of Mario Local Galaxy Cluster 34.[/QUOTE] Then again, the fact that you're using the same tired "use something besides the same characters since 1980" line in the first place is pretty indicative that you probably haven't even touched a Nintendo system since the turn of the millennium at the latest. I mean, seriously: "Mario Local Galaxy Cluster 34"? I can't even imagine your experience with either Super Mario Galaxy or its one direct sequel being any closer than a couple of E3 headlines and perhaps an ad display at your local game store of choice. Probably never even touched a Wii. Too much of a "casual travesty", am I right?

Would CoD be a better comparison? Because the thing with Madden not chaning pretty much applies to CoD. But I will give CoD some credit since it seems like they're trying to change it, even if it's a little bit over time. [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] why can't I edit my post what's going on here

CoD (and others) found a core gameplay concept and stuck to it over generations, updating graphics and introducing newer content for people to shoot at each other in. Sports games just re-release to update rosters and boast about the fact you can see reflections of the stadium lights in players' helmets [QUOTE=Stopper;45545088]Can you stop being a sarcastic dick? I'm sorry if you feel like I'm attacking your childhood or something.[/QUOTE] unfortunately it's hard not to just mock you for your argument at this point. You've shown you don't actually do your research and when you DO dig up some content you literally counted the releases between famicom and NES as multiple zelda games, alongside things like that target practice minigame that bundled with the wiimote gun thing

[QUOTE=Stopper;45543369]I know how much some people love the Mario and Zelda franchises, but it wouldn't hurt Nintendo if they stopped making the same game. They've been doing it for literally 30 years and NO SHIT it's not helping.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;8L54s2m1dPs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L54s2m1dPs[/video] [video=youtube;O_auhDR8VjU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_auhDR8VjU[/video] 30 years you say? [video=youtube;K783SDTBKmg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K783SDTBKmg[/video] [video=youtube;UARVqmMqpFQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UARVqmMqpFQ[/video] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Advance_Wars_Coverart.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Pok%C3%A9mon_box_art_-_Red_Version.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/2338/183539-mario_party_3__u_.jpg[/IMG] Yeah. They haven't come up with any original game ideas in 30 years.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545088] How about... Producing new original franchises that don't rely on the same characters they've been using since 1980? [/QUOTE] I don't even own a WiiU, but honestly, all your points make it sound like you haven't played a Zelda/Mario game in like the past 10 years. Or you've glanced at it and went "OH ZELDA AGAIN!". I mean, each Zelda game has it's own artstyle. It's not just a simple rehash. And as someone else mentioned, Mario has went into every single genre. Super Mario Bros 1 is absolutely nothing like any of his rpgs. It's like saying Mario Kart is a rehash of Super Mario 64. If you hate the characters and don't want to play the games, that's fine. But don't try to convince people that all those games are just simple yearly rehashs. A shitton of work goes into them.

[QUOTE=dai;45545213]anything changes over madden/other sports games much better. CoD (and others) found a core gameplay concept and stuck to it over generations, updating graphics and introducing newer content for people to shoot at each other in. Sports games just re-release to update rosters and boast about the fact you can see reflections of the stadium lights in players' helmets[/QUOTE] One thing I was trying to say and terribly failed at doing so is that people willingly buy stuff like Madden and CoD despite the games being mostly the same and hardly complain about it, and if they do complain they still end up buying it at some point. So I really don't understand the hate Nintendo gets with their games despite much longer gaps between games and all the changes they make. It's pretty silly.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;45543675]people keep saying the nintendo makes the same games over and over but uh... no? if you honestly think that super mario 64, sunshine, and galaxy are the same game, get your eyes checked. Of course basic gameplay stays the same, it's the same goddamn franchise, it's the content that matters[/QUOTE] Please tell me the intricate differences between Mario Kart 8 and Wii. All they did was jack the anti-gravity bits from F-Zero. If you can list the differences between every Mario Party 1-10 you get a winner. Sure, Nintendo releases more than bland sequels. But they release a lot of bland sequels. [QUOTE=willtheoct;45545216] Advance Wars and Pokemon[/QUOTE] Are we talking [I]Nintendo [/I]or [I]Nintendo EAD. [/I]Advance Wars was created by Intelligent Systems and Pokemon was created by Game Freak. Both were [I]published [/I]by [I]Nintendo[/I].

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;45545257]Please tell me the intricate differences between Mario Kart 8 and Wii. All they did was jack the anti-gravity bits from F-Zero.[/QUOTE] Well, it's still a work in progress, but I've actually been working on [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10gEB8uE60mgkuCFxOHGA9-errbiQpZekdr4dS3L7-H4/edit?usp=sharing]something[/url] like that. But on the surface, I can tell you that Mario Kart 8 combines the twelve-player races and bikes of Mario Kart Wii with the kart component customization, underwater sections, and gliding mechanics of Mario Kart 7 alongside introducing said anti-gravity mechanics and a third vehicle class: ATVs. Can't speak about Mario Party, though. Never got into that series. Oh and by the way: Intelligent Systems is a subsidiary of Nintendo and one of their internal teams just like EAD. Game Freak is a bit more complex case legally, but effectively the Pokémon games can still be considered to be owned and created by Nintendo. Nintendo isn't only [i]just[/i] EAD.

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;45545278]Well, it's still a work in progress, but I've actually been working on [URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10gEB8uE60mgkuCFxOHGA9-errbiQpZekdr4dS3L7-H4/edit?usp=sharing"]something[/URL] like that. But on the surface, I can tell you that Mario Kart 8 combines the twelve-player races and bikes of Mario Kart Wii with the kart component customization, underwater sections, and gliding mechanics of Mario Kart 7 alongside introducing said anti-gravity mechanics and a third vehicle class: ATVs.[/QUOTE] Consolidating mechanics is not innovation, it's refinement. Nintendo does "new" in piecemeal. Double Dash was new. MK8 is not.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45545088]How about... Producing new original franchises that don't rely on the same characters they've been using since 1980?[/QUOTE] how nintendo handles game creation is very different than everyone else. they create the idea first and then decide what characters are getting put into it. like, wonderful 101 was supposed to be sort of an action-game with all of nintendo's characters. then they decided on going with new characters who are super heroes the reason there's so much mario is because the mario cast in general are very versatile characters. they can be in any situation and they can fit fit somehow. the closest example nowadays is the angry birds characters. there's no reason to really make a new ip if the core of the gameplay is the same. then it really would be the same game in a new coat of paint. that's kinda counter intuitive. instead, they offer different types of gameplay with different characters. mario games are obstacle course platformers, yoshi is more exploration focused. donkey kong offers a harder, more complex platforming the notion that all mario games are the same is kinda dumb. mario 64 and sunshine are very much the same, tbh. everything after that has been different. galaxy is not all that similar to 64 or sunshine. and 3d land/world arent similar to galaxy or 64/sunshine. the mainline mario games have done a very good job of evolving through the years someone brought up mario party, but even mario party started changing. 9 and 10 are not like the 8 before it. ive never played them but they did decide to change it up, to my understanding. most people seemed disappointed in 9 actually. most of the newer nintendo ip has been pretty solid, imo. they do get a severe lack of attention though. the calls for them to make "mature" ip is kinda funny. im not sure why they have to try to appeal to you if you're probably just going to fall back on the "well, this ip wasnt [I]good[/I]" argument that keeps coming up when new ip is actually brought up. the newest ip they've shown off was splatoon, which was a shooter. ironically enough, people said "nintendo should turn this into a mario paintball game" soon after the reveal. so like, idk what you guys are trying to argue here.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;45545304] Double Dash was new. MK8 is not.[/QUOTE] hah, good one also, Nintendo EAD is part of Nintendo and Intelligent Systems is a daughter company/is owned by Nintendo. so idk why you're trying to imply they're like Game Freak who isn't part of/owned Nintendo

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;45545304]Consolidating mechanics is not innovation, it's refinement. Nintendo does "new" in piecemeal. Double Dash was new. MK8 is not.[/QUOTE] Well. You did ask for [i]intricate[/i] differences.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;45545304]Consolidating mechanics is not innovation, it's refinement. Nintendo does "new" in piecemeal. Double Dash was new. MK8 is not.[/QUOTE] Sounds more like you hate losing an argument