Blizzard limits creation of Diablo 3 games - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36316544][B][I]It's not a singleplayer game[/I][/B][/QUOTE] While that's true it's not a multiplayer game either, yes there's the coop and auction house features but it's not entirely either area, however you might see in his post as well that you can make sacrifices for both sides, i.e. a separate character that's offline.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316522]How is my opinion wrong? Always online DRM for a single player game is horrible, the end. They could've for instance have you make a different char for the auction house, characters that can't access it which you can use for single player games or LAN coop or simply if you don't want to use the auction house, and characters that can access it. Problem solved, LAN'ers can play on a LAN, and auction'ers can play online.[/QUOTE] You need to stop. Diablo 3 is not a singleplayer game. It never claimed to be. Why do you and others keep saying this? Cut it the fuck out, you look retarded.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316608]You need to stop. Diablo 3 is not a singleplayer game. It never claimed to be. Why do you and others keep saying this? Cut it the fuck out, you look retarded.[/QUOTE] You can play it alone, and I know a lot of people who do, therefore it has a single player component. I should have said singleplayer playtrough.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316635]You can play it alone, and I know a lot of people who do, therefore it has a single player component. I should have said singleplayer playtrough.[/QUOTE] You can play WoW alone, does that make it a singleplayer game?

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316608]You need to stop. Diablo 3 is not a singleplayer game. It never claimed to be. Why do you and others keep saying this? Cut it the fuck out, you look retarded.[/QUOTE] Are you completely ignoring everything I say because of one comment I posted? The game isn't a multiplayer game either and sacrifices can be made on both sides as everyone has been saying since before the game fucking launched.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316642]You can play WoW alone, does that make it a singleplayer game?[/QUOTE] No you can't, unless you're on your own private server you can't stop others from coming near you. Really, the only real reason this has always online DRM is because blizzard is afraid of pirates.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316577]um actually both my main characters are barb and monk. i find ranged boring.[/quote] ok, there you go, thanks for admitting you have no idea how the game is balanced. gg. [quote] lol yeah, again its not like it wasnt one of the biggest pc launches in history, and there is only so much you can do to prepare for something like that. sure they could have bought 10 million server farms, but it would have been a waste of time/money because they will never see traffic like that again. i know, it is tough to use common sense but hey someone has got to do it.[/quote] "wah wah wah you are correct" thx again [quote] the AH does need worked on, but that was not your original point. you were blaming blizzard for something totally out of their control. cut the shit. [/quote] uh no, them designing the browser to be shit is the reason my original point is valid. it is in their control. cut the infinite justification. [quote] um, i need some sources or something, because afaik there has been no hacks caused by a security hole on blizzard's end.[/QUOTE] yeah dude here let me just reverse engineer diablo 3 and do a full penetration testing run-through for you account breaches of this scale are unheard of through viruses/phishing/etc., and there's tonnes of reports on the forums of many sensible, experienced people having their accounts accessed. and they have case insensitive passwords. seriously, what the fuck lol, if you have any knowledge of infosec you know this is awful. [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/30/the-horror-of-being-hacked-in-diablo-3/[/url]

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316694]No you can't, unless you're on your own private server you can't stop others from coming near you. Really, the only real reason this has always online DRM is because blizzard is afraid of pirates.[/QUOTE] Clearly you haven't played WoW enough to know that if you want to play alone, you can play alone. Also to your second point, is that really so bad? Or are you one of those idiots who try and defend piracy for some inane reason, and tries to use semantics to act like you aren't a thief when you pirate something. [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Soda;36316711]ok, there you go, thanks for admitting you have no idea how the game is balanced. gg.[/QUOTE] yeah im done with this point because obviously you're just going to keep ignoring the actual facts and act like you know what you're talking about. [QUOTE=Soda;36316711]"wah wah wah you are correct" thx again[/QUOTE] yep, ignoring my points again. like a child with his fingers in his ears. you're looking pretty fucking dumb right about now. [QUOTE=Soda;36316711]uh no, them designing the browser to be shit is the reason my original point is valid. it is in their control. cut the infinite justification.[/QUOTE] lol sure, the fact that the browser needs some work is why the market fluctuated for a few weeks. not because its a brand fucking new game and no one had any idea how to price anything. that's idiotic to think something like that. [QUOTE=Soda;36316711]yeah dude here let me just reverse engineer diablo 3 and do a full penetration testing run-through for you account breaches of this scale are unheard of through viruses/phishing/etc., and there's tonnes of reports on the forums of many sensible, experienced people having their accounts accessed. and they have case insensitive passwords. seriously, what the fuck lol, if you have any knowledge of infosec you know this is awful. [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/30/the-horror-of-being-hacked-in-diablo-3/[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149619846?page=29#571[/url] Straight from the horses mouth. Although I bet you're going to come back with "they are lying lmao" and "stop being a sheep n00b gosh"

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316715]Clearly you haven't played WoW enough to know that if you want to play alone, you can play alone. Also to your second point, is that really so bad? Or are you one of those idiots who try and defend piracy for some inane reason, and tries to use semantics to act like you aren't a thief when you pirate something.[/QUOTE] I'm actually with you here because piracy is wrong on all stances, no matter what spin some guy puts on it with his excuse of "oh I don't like the company's monetary model" If you don't like something in a store because Nike uses sweatshops you don't then steal the shoe. Then there's the copying argument where they say it's not stolen because somebody copied it. Well if we take this argument onto something like a 3D printer or even further and say a duplicator (We're talking sci-fi shit here) that's still theft in reality because not only have you broken several patent laws but you've practically recreated the object, sure the company gets the purchase from the first item but that's the same with digital content too. [QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316803][B]When pirates have a better time playing a game than customers, then yes, I find that to be a problem. [/B]Pirates will find a way to get diablo 3 to work, and then they can play it offline as much as they want, meanwhile the paying customer can't play the game when their internet is out. And of course you can be alone on wow, but you're still interacting with other people, you're never truly alone. That's like saying you're the last human on earth when you moved to the countryside, sure it feels like you're all alone, doesn't mean that you actually are.[/QUOTE] This is where things get complicated because if you buy something in real life (Lets stick with the shoe) and you get home and go to try it on but you're not allowed to because the company imposed a rule where you can only wear it if you... This is where it get's complicated because there's no true real life metaphor that fits this situation, you can't wear it because what? Your feet are too fat? That's down to you when you purchased it... uhh, what about because they say when you're allowed to wear it, well, this never happens in games either so that doesn't work... what about something else? You should really think of these things before you buy it, you don't get all excited because a new shoe is coming out, buy it, then immediately complain because you can't wear it, you should have read up on that before you purchased it (Back to games) if it says "always online DRM" then you shouldn't buy that game, nor should you torrent it (back to shoes) you don't see this new shoe, think it's amazing but read you can't wear it because of that metaphor I can't think of stops you, then just steal it do you? The same applies in this instance. But I'm off on a tangent here.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316715]Clearly you haven't played WoW enough to know that if you want to play alone, you can play alone. Also to your second point, is that really so bad? Or are you one of those idiots who try and defend piracy for some inane reason, and tries to use semantics to act like you aren't a thief when you pirate something.[/QUOTE] When pirates have a better time playing a game than customers, then yes, I find that to be a problem. Pirates will find a way to get diablo 3 to work, and then they can play it offline as much as they want, meanwhile the paying customer can't play the game when their internet is out. And of course you can be alone on wow, but you're still interacting with other people, you're never truly alone. That's like saying you're the last human on earth when you moved to the countryside, sure it feels like you're all alone, doesn't mean that you actually are.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316715] yeah im done with this point because obviously you're just going to keep ignoring the actual facts and act like you know what you're talking about.[/quote] yeah all these actual facts like "i haven't even played end-game of the two completely different play-style classes" good on you [quote] yep, ignoring my points again. like a child with his fingers in his ears. you're looking pretty fucking dumb right about now.[/quote] please explicate on how mad you are at not being able to refute what I post [quote] lol sure, the fact that the browser needs some work is why the market fluctuated for a few weeks. not because its a brand fucking new game and no one had any idea how to price anything. that's idiotic to think something like that.[/quote] lol yes not being able to see half the stock because of the awful browser is totally not going to deny pricing information to people looking to sell the same things [quote] [quote] and they have case insensitive passwords. seriously, what the fuck lol, if you have any knowledge of infosec you know this is awful. [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/30/the-horror-of-being-hacked-in-diablo-3/[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149619846?page=29#571[/url] Straight from the horses mouth. Although I bet you're going to come back with "they are lying lmao" and "stop being a sheep n00b gosh"[/QUOTE] ok, that forum post says the attackers are logging in through traditional use of the player's passwords. this doesn't prove in any way that these passwords were retrieved from the user via user negligence. people with a security hole tend to be the last to know there is said hole.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316803]When pirates have a better time playing a game than customers, then yes, I find that to be a problem. Pirates will find a way to get diablo 3 to work, and then they can play it offline as much as they want, meanwhile the paying customer can't play the game when their internet is out. And of course you can be alone on wow, but you're still interacting with other people, you're never truly alone. That's like saying you're the last human on earth when you moved to the countryside, sure it feels like you're all alone, doesn't mean that you actually are.[/QUOTE] No one in the history of anything will consider any number of WoW's emulated servers better than the real thing. Nine times out of ten they are broken, glitched, overpowered players that donate to get to that point, shitty scripted bosses ect. Chances are Diablo 3's emulated servers are going to be the same way. In Diablo 3 you are never truly alone either, your Bnet friends can join your game at any time, there are all kinds of public chats/channels that people are constantly chatting in, and then you can drop into any public game at any time you want too. Sure you can turn that all off, but why would you? It is like buying a new car with all these awesome features and them ripping them out in the name of some silly argument so that you look right.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316694]No you can't, unless you're on your own private server you can't stop others from coming near you. Really, the only real reason this has always online DRM is because blizzard is afraid of pirates.[/QUOTE] The online DRM was a design choice to better integrate the game and give players more connectivity. The fact that it limits pirates, paraphrasing Blizzard, is a "nice bonus".

[QUOTE=Soda;36316866]yeah all these actual facts like "i haven't even played end-game of the two completely different play-style classes" good on you[/QUOTE] just because i haven't played the end-game of a certain class doesn't mean i don't know about it. there are thousands of gameplay videos out there, live streams ect. a person can know all about inferno without ever actually setting foot in it. [QUOTE=Soda;36316866]please explicate on how mad you are at not being able to refute what I post[/QUOTE] i refuted your point the first time. there is no reason to have all these extra servers when 3 days later there is going to be no one using them. it would be a waste of manpower/money. [QUOTE=Soda;36316866]lol yes not being able to see half the stock because of the awful browser is totally not going to deny pricing information to people looking to sell the same things[/QUOTE] you know as well as i do the market would have fluctuated just as much either way, and you have to be literally one of dumbest people i have met if you think otherwise. no game with a market is perfect when it first launches. i mean, shit, when WoW gets a new expansion the market still fluctuates like crazy for the first few weeks and the auction house on there is pretty much perfect with the addition of Auctioneer. [QUOTE=Soda;36316866]ok, that forum post says the attackers are logging in through traditional use of the player's passwords. this doesn't prove in any way that these passwords were retrieved from the user via user negligence. people with a security hole tend to be the last to know there is said hole.[/QUOTE] yeah some spergs on reddit and facepunch are definitely going to know first with absolutely no evidence or anything of the sort.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316803][B]When pirates have a better time playing a game than customers, then yes, I find that to be a problem. Pirates will find a way to get diablo 3 to work[/B], and then they can play it offline as much as they want, meanwhile the paying customer can't play the game when their internet is out. And of course you can be alone on wow, but you're still interacting with other people, you're never truly alone. That's like saying you're the last human on earth when you moved to the countryside, sure it feels like you're all alone, doesn't mean that you actually are.[/QUOTE] My fucking god are you even reading anything, all of d3's content is server side it will take an eternity to get a d3 emulator that scrapes retail quality. When that does come out feel free to play it offline, meanwhile the normal paying customer realizes he actually has other things he can do when his net is down and the 500+ hours he's pumped in to diablo has already given him his money's worth. And of course you can be alone on diablo, but you're still interacting with other people, you're never tryly alone. That's like saying you're the last human on earth when you moved to the countryside, sure it feels like you're all alone , doesn't mean that you actually are.

To everyone complaining about Diablo 3. Play Diablo 2 with a couple friends instead.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36316891]The online DRM was a design choice to better integrate the game and give players more connectivity. The fact that it limits pirates, paraphrasing Blizzard, is a "nice bonus".[/QUOTE] No, they're using those features to sell their piracy protection, the bonus is that people actually believe that shit.

[QUOTE=zombojoe;36316962]To everyone complaining about Diablo 3. Play Diablo 2 with a couple friends instead.[/QUOTE] To everyone complaining about Half Life 2. Go play Half Life instead.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316979]No, they're using those features to sell their piracy protection, the bonus is that people actually believe that shit.[/QUOTE] You still haven't answered why protecting your game from being pirated is a bad thing. [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;36317021]To everyone complaining about Half Life 2. Go play Half Life instead.[/QUOTE] I liked Half-Life better anyway.

[QUOTE=parket;36316942]My fucking god are you even reading anything, all of d3's content is server side it will take an eternity to get a d3 emulator that scrapes retail quality. When that does come out feel free to play it offline, meanwhile the normal paying customer realizes he actually has other things he can do when his net is down and the 500+ hours he's pumped in to diablo has already given him his money's worth. And of course you can be alone on diablo, but you're still interacting with other people, you're never tryly alone. That's like saying you're the last human on earth when you moved to the countryside, sure it feels like you're all alone , doesn't mean that you actually are.[/QUOTE] Don't have any bnet friends, turn off chat, don't drop into a public game. There, you're all alone, not interacting with anyone. And if it just had the offline/online characters like I suggested before, then there wouldn't be any fucking problem, and I wouldn't mind it having always online DRM for the online part of the game. They could have done that, but they didn't. Why? So they could have the server side content BS as anti-piracy measure.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316936] i refuted your point the first time. there is no reason to have all these extra servers when 3 days later there is going to be no one using them. it would be a waste of manpower/money. [/quote] except that doesn't matter at all. this is a service people are paying for through the purchase of the game, and denying these people the service through negligence is really, really awful of a company. it isn't a waste, because it would've improved uptime(pretty sure you are completely clueless in regards to IT because uptime is pretty much as valuable as gold). [quote] you know as well as i do the market would have fluctuated just as much either way[/quote] no, I don't, and it wouldn't for as long as it has(and is currently). [quote]no game with a market is perfect when it first launches.[/quote] it is far past the "first launches" phase. [quote] yeah some spergs on reddit and facepunch are definitely going to know first with absolutely no evidence or anything of the sort.[/QUOTE] lmao yes the mounting reports are completely not evident of anything at all [url]http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Account-Hacked-You-Need-Warrant-Find-Out-How-43497.html[/url] you're pretty selflessly defending blizzard. do you have some attachment to them prior to d3? are you a level 85 night elf or something?

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36317029]I liked Half-Life better anyway.[/QUOTE] How is this a rebuttal in any form?

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36317029]You still haven't answered why protecting your game from being pirated is a bad thing. [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] I liked Half-Life better anyway.[/QUOTE] It's not a bad thing from their point of view, of course it isn't. It's a bad thing from my point of view because I don't fucking want to be online all the fucking time is that so hard to understand?

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36317029]You still haven't answered why protecting your game from being pirated is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Is piracy even such a bad thing? Minecraft seemed to do pretty good because of word of mouth and accessibility provided from it. (Ex: Kids at school: Hey you hear of this cool game called Minecraft? Here I'll link you to it on rapidshare.)

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316979]No, they're using those features to sell their piracy protection, the bonus is that people actually believe that shit.[/QUOTE] Who do I believe. Armchair game critics on Facepunch and their wacky conspiracy theories about how Blizzard is out to destroy gaming. Or the international company that has a reputation to maintain and has a history of dealing honestly with it's costumers. Yeah no you are right there are no benefits whatsoever to the always-online DRM Diablo 3 uses it's just their attempt to crack down on piracy and everyone who doesn't agree is dumb.

[QUOTE=ketchup v2;36316936]just because i haven't played the end-game of a certain class doesn't mean i don't know about it. there are thousands of gameplay videos out there, live streams ect. a person can know all about inferno without ever actually setting foot in it. i refuted your point the first time. [b]there is no reason to have all these extra servers when 3 days later there is going to be no one using them. it would be a waste of manpower/money.[/b] you know as well as i do the market would have fluctuated just as much either way, and you have to be literally one of dumbest people i have met if you think otherwise. no game with a market is perfect when it first launches. i mean, shit, when WoW gets a new expansion the market still fluctuates like crazy for the first few weeks and the auction house on there is pretty much perfect with the addition of Auctioneer. yeah some spergs on reddit and facepunch are definitely going to know first with absolutely no evidence or anything of the sort.[/QUOTE] It's called renting some extra servers for a day or three, not that hard ya know. [editline]14th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;36317072]Who do I believe. Armchair game critics on Facepunch and their wacky conspiracy theories about how Blizzard is out to destroy gaming. Or the international company that has a reputation to maintain and has a history of dealing honestly with it's costumers. Yeah no you are right there are no benefits whatsoever to the always-online DRM Diablo 3 uses it's just their attempt to crack down on piracy and everyone who doesn't agree is dumb.[/QUOTE] Name some benefits for YOU to the always-online DRM then hmm?

Why does it even have to be always on, how can I start pirating the game even when I am in the middle of playing it?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36317079]It's called renting some extra servers for a day or three, not that hard ya know.[/QUOTE] Not content with being enough of an expert in the realm of game design and theory, mobrockers2 takes on the issues of networking and server infrastructure with his incredibly insightful essay titled "not that hard ya know"

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36316979]No, they're using those features to sell their piracy protection, the bonus is that people actually believe that shit.[/QUOTE] shit mate why not slap on a tinfoil hat while you're at it

[QUOTE=Soda;36317048]except that doesn't matter at all. this is a service people are paying for through the purchase of the game, and denying these people the service through negligence is really, really awful of a company. it isn't a waste, because it would've improved uptime(pretty sure you are completely clueless in regards to IT because uptime is pretty much as valuable as gold).[/QUOTE] i don't have any actual stats, no idea where i would go to get them, but i would imagine that Diablo 3's uptime thus far has been at least 90%. not perfect, but not totally unexpected for the [B]biggest pc launch in the history of pc gaming[/B] [QUOTE=Soda;36317048] no, I don't, and it wouldn't for as long as it has(and is currently). it is far past the "first launches" phase. [/QUOTE] we aren't even a full month into the game's life yet. that is definitely still the first launch stage. like i said, play WoW for the first month after an expansion, it takes this long if not longer for prices to settle down. [QUOTE=Soda;36317048] lmao yes the mounting reports are completely not evident of anything at all [url]http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Account-Hacked-You-Need-Warrant-Find-Out-How-43497.html[/url][/QUOTE] im sorry but do these reports include some sort of concrete evidence? or is it a bunch of kids that are mad that they got phished and are trying to blame it on blizzard because they don't have any personal responsibility? [QUOTE=Soda;36317048]you're pretty selflessly defending blizzard. do you have some attachment to them prior to d3? are you a level 85 night elf or something?[/QUOTE] yeah, i've played all their games, and yeah i am defending them because if you ignore the non-justified facepunch hate they are actually one of the better companies in the business of video games. they don't deserve half the shit they get from mongoloids like you. [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] this whole thread is a joke lmao.