John Carmack on SteamOS “if it were some other random company I would be pseudo-scornful” - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42576098]Network makers know what they're doing. They design those things for low latency. Over a LAN, you're looking at less than a millisecond of lag.[/QUOTE] So why not just buy a Brix or one of those intel NUCs? Wouldn't I be able to stream with one of those? Or is the steambox going to have some magical power in it?

[QUOTE=avincent;42576248]So why not just buy a Brix or one of those intel NUCs? Wouldn't I be able to stream with one of those? Or is the steambox going to have some magical power in it?[/QUOTE] Go for it. SteamOS is open, you could install it on anything.

[QUOTE=avincent;42576248]So why not just buy a Brix or one of those intel NUCs? Wouldn't I be able to stream with one of those? Or is the steambox going to have some magical power in it?[/QUOTE] People who want to make their own can make their own. The Steam Machines are not for people who want to make their own streaming devices, it's for people who want to have Steam as a console. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] And have it be just that.

Oh okay.. Cause I really want to buy one of those Gigabyte Brix but with steamboxes around the corner I've been hesitant.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;42574603]I guess they are aware that SteamOS might not being very successful since they allow for any other OS to be installed in it's place.[/QUOTE] I think it has more to do with Valve wanting Steam Machines to be as modular as possible, rather than a fear of resistance/rejection. You wanna change a component? The OS? GPU? Go for it.

For those that don't want to install Linux to run SteamOS, just install Steam on a base Windows install, set Big Picture to auto-boot and voila. You've got yourself something that's basically the same as SteamOS, minus being able to change OS settings from Big Picture itself. Streaming, music and movies will work just fine.

When has Carmack's opinions ever been right...

[QUOTE=mobrockers;42574838]The purpose of steamOS is big picture mode in your living room. It isn't meant for hardcore gaming, at all. This is why streaming IS a good alternative to native games.[/QUOTE] [del]You can get a model[/del](There might be a model) with a TITAN are you are telling me it's not for hardcore gaming? Am confused.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;42577643]When has Carmack's opinions ever been right...[/QUOTE] If you're a programmer, the [url=ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/source/CodeStyleConventions.doc]Code Style Conventions[/url] used internally by id Software on Doom 3, were pretty darn consistent. Not that it directly represents his opinions on anything, or his opinions at all, I'd just like to put this out there. What he was right on though, was the VR headset. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rastadogg;42577726]You can get a model with a TITAN are you are telling me it's not for hardcore gaming? Am confused.[/QUOTE] That is what the testers will be using, and does not in any way represent the final product (or even any of the future released products!), so you may want to hold back with saying this until it has actually been announced what the final specifications of the machine will be.

You don't even need to defend Carmack. y'know, because he's John fucking carmack.

Steambox is a console, it's not meant to play every PC game. Just the newer ones. You want to play all da videogames? Just get a pee cee. Want a powerful console to play newer PC games on your couch? Play the steambox.

It seems that Valve decided to not just become a video game company, but soon want to expand the vast fields of related gaming... online game distribution like steam, manufaturing and making controllers like the steam controller... now making their own operation system that is great for gamers and maybe possibly just for gamers, and they decided to make their very own console to open more fields of gaming... Valve is thinking of going for the long run, and bringing in a new era of gaming that reaches the ears of every other game developers, publishers, and gamers alike. The long game will benefit us more so then the other competitors in the market that only offers cheap or restictive features (microsoft with their force upgrade to gain the latest versions of direct X 11.1, xbox one restrictive drm, introduced a closed marketplace and bring in uninteresting applications that contains no desire, and removal of features that we love, such as the start button).

[QUOTE=BenJammin';42578389]Steambox is a console, it's not meant to play every PC game. Just the newer ones. You want to play all da videogames? Just get a pee cee. Want a powerful console to play newer PC games on your couch? Play the steambox.[/QUOTE] Yeah and it's open so what it's meant to do doesn't really matter for people who really care avout what they want to run.

Coming from a Doom/id fanatic, is John Carmack even relevant anymore?

[QUOTE=kyle877;42579578]Coming from a Doom/id fanatic, is John Carmack even relevant anymore?[/QUOTE] Is oculus rift relevant?

[QUOTE=kyle877;42579578]Coming from a Doom/id fanatic, is John Carmack even relevant anymore?[/QUOTE] He just sorta left id for Oculus, so I'd say pretty damn relevant,

[QUOTE=danharibo;42579597]Is oculus rift relevant?[/QUOTE] He had his hands in that? Huh, didn't know that.

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42574515]Really, because Wine doesn't even support DirectX 10 right now. Why would I ever want to use a [B]gaming[/B] OS that won't let me play the vast majority of PC games without resorting to weird hacky methods that aren't even guaranteed to work?[/QUOTE] afaik mesa3d/gallium drivers have a part of dx11/10 running natively already. It's a matter of getting it refined and working.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;42579624]He just sorta left id for Oculus, so I'd say pretty damn relevant,[/QUOTE] Ahh, I didn't know that. Last time I'd paid attention to id was when they got bought by Zenimax. I thought he was just riding on the whole fact he was Carmack to stay relevant to things. Knowing that he's actually working on Oculus Rift gives me a LOT more hope for it.

Carmack has not left id. Being the CTO at OR doesn't change his job at id at all; quite the opposite.

[QUOTE=kyle877;42579578]Coming from a Doom/id fanatic, is John Carmack even relevant anymore?[/QUOTE] Whilst he is getting a bit past it, he still has interesting ideas and views on the technology that we use for games. Some cool ideas for engine features (even if they aren't great in practice), interactivity and the likes.

How many recent games have Linux support? And how many future games will have it?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;42581134]How many recent games have Linux support? And how many future games will have it?[/QUOTE] once again the Steambox is a console, so current Linux support for PC games is irrelevant. Consoles have games made for them after they are unveiled, there weren't such thing as PS3 games when the PS2 launched. I know you didn't quite say what my response is about, but it seems allot of people on FP don't get the Steam Machines are consoles with PC parts, PC modularity, and the ability to instal Windows, Ubuntu, etc. They are trying to bring PC gaming (and thus Steam) to console players, so even more Steam/PC game ports and support and attention.

Dear Nvidia: You're going to improve your Optimus support on Linux because of all of this, right? Pretty please? I wouldn't have bought a laptop with switchable graphics had I known what an utter bitch it is to get linux working right with it. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;42581134]How many recent games have Linux support? And how many future games will have it?[/QUOTE] I took a look and about half of my entire steam library (like 20 out of 40-something games) can run natively on Linux. Well, "Can run" and "Does run" are two separate things right now but you get the idea.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;42581435]once again the Steambox is a console, so current Linux support for PC games is irrelevant. Consoles have games made for them after they are unveiled, there weren't such thing as PS3 games when the PS2 launched. I know you didn't quite say what my response is about, but it seems allot of people on FP don't get the Steam Machines are consoles with PC parts, PC modularity, and the ability to instal Windows, Ubuntu, etc. They are trying to bring PC gaming (and thus Steam) to console players, so even more Steam/PC game ports and support and attention.[/QUOTE] SteamBox is an up-and-coming console. I highly doubt it'll be anywhere near as mainstream as the Xbox or Playstation. I know they want to make it a console and appeal to consoles players, but I'm sure a massive majority of the users will be PC gamers, who happen to enjoy playing on their couch. Games that can play on the SteamBox will be no more plentiful as games on the PC. I highly doubt anyone will look at the SteamBox and say "Maybe I should get this instead of a Playstation 4." There will be a minimal amount, if any, of developers that will make games for the SteamBox. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;42581662]I took a look and about half of my entire steam library (like 20 out of 40-something games) can run natively on Linux. Well, "Can run" and "Does run" are two separate things right now but you get the idea.[/QUOTE] This, however, is a lot more comforting. Not a bad statistic, since Valve considerably recently kicked up Linux gaming.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;42582067]SteamBox is an up-and-coming console. I highly doubt it'll be anywhere near as mainstream as the Xbox or Playstation. I know they want to make it a console and appeal to consoles players, but I'm sure a massive majority of the users will be PC gamers, who happen to enjoy playing on their couch. Games that can play on the SteamBox will be no more plentiful as games on the PC. I highly doubt anyone will look at the SteamBox and say "Maybe I should get this instead of a Playstation 4." There will be a minimal amount, if any, of developers that will make games for the SteamBox. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] This, however, is a lot more comforting. Not a bad statistic, since Valve considerably recently kicked up Linux gaming.[/QUOTE] Are you.. High? Do you have any idea the market presence Valve has? They're the reason for something like 70% of all PC game sales now. All those PC games will [I]work natively[/I] on the SteamBox. It's not an Xbox, it's not a PS3. It's a computer that streams games from your PC or runs them natively. Oh, and your hilarious comments about SteamBox not doing well, I'll be sure to look back on it eventually and chuckle. Not even mentioning the OS itself which will remove all the fiddly bits from Windows that hog resources and dedicate them to the video games that it's, y'know, designed around.

I really do hope companies keep supportinv linux, it really does have the potential to be a serious contender to windows, just needs more support.

[QUOTE=BenJammin';42578389]Steambox is a console, it's not meant to play every PC game. Just the newer ones. You want to play all da videogames? Just get a pee cee. Want a powerful console to play newer PC games on your couch? Play the steambox.[/QUOTE] Uuuuh, or just get a peecee and play old games plus new games? Hell, the steamboxes from what i've heard are just prebuilt PCs, albiet smaller. You can even install your own os on it.

[QUOTE=Worldwaker;42582159]Are you.. High? Do you have any idea the market presence Valve has? They're the reason for something like 70% of all PC game sales now. All those PC games will [I]work natively[/I] on the SteamBox. It's not an Xbox, it's not a PS3. It's a computer that streams games from your PC or runs them natively. Oh, and your hilarious comments about SteamBox not doing well, I'll be sure to look back on it eventually and chuckle. Not even mentioning the OS itself which will remove all the fiddly bits from Windows that hog resources and dedicate them to the video games that it's, y'know, designed around.[/QUOTE] Uh, except the majority of those games WON'T run natively on the SteamBox, at least not in the beginning. If you actually want to play a lot of games on this thing you'd need to buy a good Windows gaming pc for streaming and a SteamBox. Do you really think that a lot of people will prefer that over a single console? The SteamBox can't replace a console or even a PC in the beginning, if anything it's an addition to the gaming PC you already have. As more games start coming out on Linux the SteamBox will eventually be viable as is, but I doubt that's coming any time soon hence why SteamBox isn't really even competing with PS4/Xbone (yet).

[QUOTE=RautaPalli;42583493]Uh, except the majority of those games WON'T run natively on the SteamBox, at least not in the beginning. If you actually want to play a lot of games on this thing you'd need to buy a good Windows gaming pc for streaming and a SteamBox. Do you really think that a lot of people will prefer that over a single console? The SteamBox can't replace a console or even a PC in the beginning, if anything it's an addition to the gaming PC you already have. As more games start coming out on Linux the SteamBox will eventually be viable as is, but I doubt that's coming any time soon hence why SteamBox isn't really even competing with PS4/Xbone (yet).[/QUOTE] Seeing as how there's more launch titles for Steam Machines than either next gen console, it can certainly compete. If more AAA titles come on-board with SteamOS then it would be competitive against both consoles.