• Metal Gear Solid V looks best on PC proves shocking new evidence
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[QUOTE=eirexe;48404696]PCs are easier and easier to get into every day, and they do way more things than a console for less cost.[/QUOTE] A good gaming PC can cost prices like 800 dollars. For someone who doesn't care about having a graphical powerhouse, what do you think he'd choose? A: Look up parts online, make sure they're powerful enough to run what you want to play, Buy them, wait for them to arrive, install them in a case, start the PC, install an OS, install all your programs, install your game, and play Total cost for a capable machine: Around 700, 800 dollars, and lots of time. or... B: Drive to Gamestop. Buy an Xbox One/Playstation 4. Drive home, plug it in, wait for updates, then put the disc in and play. Total cost: 500 dollars, about 10 minutes of setup. There's a vast, vast difference in effort (No, building a PC isn't easy if you're inexperienced), and a lot of people want nothing but something to play some games.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48405075] (No, building a PC isn't easy if you're inexperienced)[/QUOTE] Nah. You just have to watch one or two instruction videos, it's really just like LEGO. Built mine in my first shot. and I didn't break anything. But, if you want a good graphics card it's not going to be a 500 dollar pc. It'll be far more.
This game is still going to be fucking amazing. Regardless of what platform you play it on.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48405075]A good gaming PC can cost prices like 800 dollars. For someone who doesn't care about having a graphical powerhouse, what do you think he'd choose? A: Look up parts online, make sure they're powerful enough to run what you want to play, Buy them, wait for them to arrive, install them in a case, start the PC, install an OS, install all your programs, install your game, and play Total cost for a capable machine: Around 700, 800 dollars, and lots of time. or... B: Drive to Gamestop. Buy an Xbox One/Playstation 4. Drive home, plug it in, wait for updates, then put the disc in and play. Total cost: 500 dollars, about 10 minutes of setup. There's a vast, vast difference in effort (No, building a PC isn't easy if you're inexperienced), and a lot of people want nothing but something to play some games.[/QUOTE] $650 and you have a pc where you can play pretty much anything better than consoles and the price difference is something you are going to save in the mid-term quite easily. Getting someone to build a pc for you costs 20-30€ most of the time, after that it's just installing windows/steamos and booting up steam big picture and playing in your couch, and of course, a PC does much more. Do you really want to sacrifice a little bit of effort for a platform you are going to pay less in the mid-term for more?, I wouldn't, I don't see how a consumer would like to pay more for less. PCs might be a little bit more expensive entry-wise, but who would use a vastly inferior system that does less things and where games costs more when you can just plug in your pc to your tv and start big picture?. The only advantage consoles have over PCs is that they take less to setup, but let's face it, it's a device you are going to use for a looong time, usually over 7 years, so a longer setup time means nothing, you will save more, and you will get more, it's a pretty nice trade. I've yet to see a console that will allow me to do what a PC can, and that will allow me to get 100 games for less than 350€, and that will allow me to play any game up to the wii
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;48404825]:glare: aren't pc controllers really cheap? also i can hook my pc to my hdtv if I wanted to. Games being locked to different platforms is the worst concept ever to me, you are literally separating half of the population from one and another, maybe its better this way less kids on steam. Meanwhile I just played super mario galaxy 1 and 2 in pure 1080p with a kb and mouse flawlessly a few years back thanks to dolphin emulator.[/QUOTE] cool just gonna navigate through windows with my 360 controller [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] i'm not saying that consoles are better than pcs at video games or whatever dumb nerd shit but i honestly prefer just playing video games on a console. if you dont idc but don't crunch up some numbers or post dumb as fuck frame by frame, zoomed 30x screenshot comparisons to try to justify that pc is way better than playing on consoles
There isn't even a real reason to buy a console at the moment there's no good exclusives for either
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48405591]ok and with a console theres barely any chance of failure and theres basically no maintenance soz consoles aren't really holding gaming back, uninventive game designers and overly restrictive publishers are, and always will hold gaming back its like trying to argue against buying fast food, yeah its cheaper and better for you to cook your own food, but fuck you im gonna buy fast food because its more convenient to me also 650 is deffo not enough for a pc that will surpass current gen standards, i got all my shit for my new pc last black friday for almost 900 buckerinos[/QUOTE] It's not comparable, buying a PC means an effort the first day, after that the comfort is exactly the same as on a console, for non-fast food you need to do a daily effort to cook it. [editline]8th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=elitehakor;48405609]cool just gonna navigate through windows with my 360 controller [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] i'm not saying that consoles are better than pcs at video games or whatever dumb nerd shit but i honestly prefer just playing video games on a console. if you dont idc but don't crunch up some numbers or post dumb as fuck frame by frame, zoomed 30x screenshot comparisons to try to justify that pc is way better than playing on consoles[/QUOTE] No one cares about the graphics, PC is not only a better option for graphics, it's a better option for everything, you can use any input method, do many other things that consoles can not and play in emulators. Also, if you want to navigate with a 360 controller there are ways to do it, or you can just use big picture.
A lot of people can't even play at this level of detail unless they have a nuclear powered rig.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48405756]getting a pc isn't a 1 time effort, throughout the pc's lifecycle you need to take care of it unless you want it to perform progressively worse over the years not to mention viruses and shit also you'll rarely ever suffer a bad port playing on a console, pc gets them by the truckload every year by every publisher[/QUOTE] You do realise that bad ports aren't that common right?, maintenance of a PC is basically cleaning it, something you should do with a console too. If you want to upgrade to get better pefromance you can, or you can lower graphcis.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48405786]"basically cleaning it" do you mean physically clean? no one needs to get rid of dust, run antiviruses, regularly wipe hard drives to prevent them from running much slower, etc on a console just because [i]you[/i] dont see the purpose of getting a console doesn't mean other people cant either[/QUOTE] You don't need to do any of that really, antiviruses are the only thing, regularly wiping hard drives is not needed if you don't fill them with shit. Is not that I don't see the purpose to getting a console, is that I don't see why they exist in the first place, they are basically more expensive pcs with less freedoms. Now PC's big names have figured out that the only reason why people use consoles is the so called "comfort" so SteamOS and big picture exist solely for that reason. Soon PCs will overtake consoles pretty easily. [t]http://i.imgur.com/WkTo4MC.png[/t] [url]http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/console-gaming-is-still-dead-and-the-pc-is-only-getting-better-1289367[/url]
I chose PC gaming so I can play one game on one monitor, and on the other monitor I can argue on forums about how great PC gaming is. That's my upside to PC gaming. I live my life to the fullest!
[QUOTE=eirexe;48405811]You don't need to do any of that really, antiviruses are the only thing, regularly wiping hard drives is not needed if you don't fill them with shit. Is not that I don't see the purpose to getting a console, is that I don't see why they exist in the first place, they are basically more expensive pcs with less freedoms. Now PC's big names have figured out that the only reason why people use consoles is the so called "comfort" so SteamOS and big picture exist solely for that reason. Soon PCs will overtake consoles pretty easily. [t]http://i.imgur.com/WkTo4MC.png[/t] [url]http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/console-gaming-is-still-dead-and-the-pc-is-only-getting-better-1289367[/url][/QUOTE] unless they make all the parts color coded, and fit together like lego bricks, the average consumer isn't going to fool around with building their own PC. A lot of people don't have the time for that, let alone the maintenance.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48405858]unless they make all the parts color coded, and fit together like lego bricks, the average consumer isn't going to fool around with building their own PC. A lot of people don't have the time for that, let alone the maintenance.[/QUOTE] As I said before getting someone to do it for you it's not expensive or hard. It's a myth that you need to upgrade your PC a lot, basically as your pc gets older the same that happens with console will happen to your pc, you will just have a limit, but you will still be able to play games if you lower the graphics.
I'll be playing my Metal Gear Solid on a Playstation, like God intended.
[QUOTE=elitehakor;48403121]this is the dumbest image in the world [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] this is literally nitpicking to the highest degree by dumb pc gamers[/QUOTE] Nitpicking is like SSAO vs HBAO that's one of the few images that shows off glaring graphical inferiority
a glaring graphical inferiority would be hard shadows v soft shadows, high resolution textures vs blurry textures, etc this is comparing LODs [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] LODs in a fast-moving scene, even
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;48403525]When will people get that owning either a PS4 or PC doesn't make you better? and that owning both, though, does.[/QUOTE] If I wanted a dumbed down, uncustomizable machine trying its hardest to be a computer, I'd buy a mac. At least the Mac has games. :v:
People have computers anyway, you don't buy 800-1500 dollar gaming PCs, you just buy a PC and spend 100-200 dollars more on a GPU then you otherwise would have. Even if you have a laptop you would at some point have made the trade-off between having an desktop+laptop combo or buying an high-end laptop. Besides, I don't see anyone browing facepunch from the PS4 web browser.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48406489]i'd wager that most people would also need to upgrade their mobos and cpus as well before upgrading their gpu[/QUOTE] I din't mention upgrading.
I totally agree, but i din't mention upgrading, or that the PC should be prebuild, or that the GPU should be separately bought.
I was simply pointing out that going down the road of "A gaming PC is exactly this expensive, here is my pcbuilder link, and a benchmark that shows it runs games better then a PS4" is a retarded comparison, because people have PCs regardless if they use them to play videogames, and when you factor that into it, you're often pretty much only paying for a GPU. How you factor in this GPU wasn't mentioned in the post, either buy a prebuild, build your own, or upgrade something, it doesn't matter. You instantly jumped to the conclusion that the only way to [quote]you just buy a PC and spend 100-200 dollars more on a GPU then you [B]otherwise would have[/B][/quote] Is to upgrade an existing desktop prebuild that has an ancient CPU, an ancient motherboard, and the card wouldn't fit in the case.
[QUOTE=Cold;48406650]You're often pretty much only paying for a GPU.[/QUOTE] That isn't how buying or upgrading a PC works. You're saying that you can just add a Titan X to the world's shittiest pc and that'll make it better for gaming, even if the case supports it. Good processors and motherboards cost around £100 while a GTX 960 is only £90 more, yet they are always vital towards performance and compatibility. Any CPU that runs at a speed below 3GHz will take away potential from the GPU and prevent it from working its hardest. Anyways, you spend a lot less for consoles (which last longer and never need dusted/cleaned) in comparison to gaming PCs. Metal Gear Solid V looks great on all platforms in my opinion, one cutscene doesn't ruin the quality of the entire game anyways.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;48407289]That isn't how buying or upgrading a PC works. You're saying that you can just add a Titan X to the world's shittiest pc and that'll make it better for gaming, even if the case supports it. Good processors and motherboards cost around £100 while a GTX 960 is only £90 more, yet they are always vital towards performance and compatibility. Any CPU that runs at a speed below 3GHz will take away potential from the GPU and prevent it from working its hardest. Anyways, you spend a lot less for consoles (which last longer and never need dusted/cleaned) in comparison to gaming PCs. Metal Gear Solid V looks great on all platforms in my opinion, one cutscene doesn't ruin the quality of the entire game anyways.[/QUOTE] My take on the cost argument has always been: 1. It doesn't matter if cost isn't an issue, like with people around here. 2. Consoles have hidden costs like subscription for online and specific hardware like brand specific mics and controllers that we can choose to avoid if we're feeling particularly cheap. Plus most of us will have a usable KB+M setting around in the house. 3. Steam sales and PC games on average are cheaper. Not that any of it matters because at the end of the day it's not better or worse it's just what you choose to play your games on.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;48407289]That isn't how buying or upgrading a PC works. You're saying that you can just add a Titan X to the world's shittiest pc and that'll make it better for gaming, even if the case supports it. Good processors and motherboards cost around £100 while a GTX 960 is only £90 more, yet they are always vital towards performance and compatibility. Any CPU that runs at a speed below 3GHz will take away potential from the GPU and prevent it from working its hardest. Anyways, you spend a lot less for consoles (which last longer and never need dusted/cleaned) in comparison to gaming PCs. Metal Gear Solid V looks great on all platforms in my opinion, one cutscene doesn't ruin the quality of the entire game anyways.[/QUOTE] -snip- fuck it, i can explain this better. The point i am trying to make here, is even if i bought a PS4, i would i still need to buy a PC to do all the non-gaming things i would normally do with my PC. So comparing prices as in "This is the price of a PS4" vs "This is the price of an full blown gaming PC" isn't really fair, because when i choose a gaming PC, i don't need to have a normal PC next to that, to do PC things with. You shouldn't look at this in terms of hardware, look at in terms of price, if you're a typical consumer interested in a desktop, they'll generally spend at least 400-500 dollars? Now lets say gaming is your hobby you can spend another 300 because of that. So build the best gaming pc you can for 400+300 dollars, and it can double as the PC you do all your other stuff with.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48405719]A lot of people can't even play at this level of detail unless they have a nuclear powered rig.[/QUOTE] Assuming it's going to run similarly to Ground Zeroes, I'll be able to run it on the highest possible settings with a 660ti. Yeah, "nuclear powered rig"
The PC vs console argument always makes me laugh, why do people care so much about it? Why does it matter if someone enjoys playing on console or just prefer them over PC? I game on both and have no issues with it.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48405786]"basically cleaning it" do you mean physically clean? no one needs to get rid of dust, run antiviruses, regularly wipe hard drives to prevent them from running much slower, etc on a console[/QUOTE] Actually, the earliest consumer models of xbox 360s (like mine) were recommended to be cleaned out for dust every so often, they were pretty prone to overheating and hardware failure.
games are more expensive on consoles but the initial setup cost is generally more on a PC choose wisely
[QUOTE=elitehakor;48404753]sorry but i'd rather come home from work and crash on the couch and play my xb1 than sit at a cold uncomfortable desk to play a video game [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] "but just connect your pc to your tv" yeah and now i have to use my mouse and kb in the most uncomfortable position imaginable to start up video games[/QUOTE] You need to get a better desk/chair if its cold and uncomfortable. [editline]8th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cold;48407591]-snip- fuck it, i can explain this better. The point i am trying to make here, is even if i bought a PS4, i would i still need to buy a PC to do all the non-gaming things i would normally do with my PC. So comparing prices as in "This is the price of a PS4" vs "This is the price of an full blown gaming PC" isn't really fair, because when i choose a gaming PC, i don't need to have a normal PC next to that, to do PC things with. You shouldn't look at this in terms of hardware, look at in terms of price, if you're a typical consumer interested in a desktop, they'll generally spend at least 400-500 dollars? Now lets say gaming is your hobby you can spend another 300 because of that. So build the best gaming pc you can for 400+300 dollars, and it can double as the PC you do all your other stuff with.[/QUOTE] This is correct though. If you're spending 4-500 on a desktop anyways, you can add 300 to the budget and end up with something far more capable than a console for less overall money.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48408883]i should always list the 360 as an exception, been through 3 of those damned things thanks to microsoft sucking at hardware[/QUOTE] You just had to get lucky with 360s. I had mine for like 7 or 8 years. Never cleaned it once.
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