• A first look at Battlefield 4's China Rising expansion
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[QUOTE=Novangel;41928182]Special Forces is not standalone. All of those packs also split the community and kill the base game by your logic.[/QUOTE] But it didn't happen, did it ? because whoever migrated to one of the expansions didn't force everyone else to do the same. Not that i think the BF2 model was perfect, it didn't really encourage anyone to pay for the expansions, but there are better ways to do that that don't involve cutting access to weapons and splitting up the community with the maps.
[QUOTE=Deep;41928132]Because standalone expansions are totally comparable to content packs that split up the playerbase and effectively kill the base game.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Deep;41928317]But it didn't happen, did it ? because whoever migrated to one of the expansions didn't force everyone else to do the same. Not that i think the BF2 model was perfect, it didn't really encourage anyone to pay for the expansions, but there are better ways to do that that don't involve cutting access to weapons and splitting up the community with the maps.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you're implying, both games have DLCs that have new weapons, maps and 'split' the community. How does the BF2 model not encourage people to pay for the expansions and DLCs while BF3 and BF4 does?
Just wait for the inevitable premium bundle for $60
[QUOTE=legolover122;41928248]And then there's the "muh playerbase is split :(((" shit. Vanilla can play on vanilla for forever. Own all the DLCs? You can still play with people who are just vanilla. So this "split the playerbase" is a crock of shit. In reference to battlefield, I will point out that in BC2 with the vietnam expansion it's hardly played and everyone played vanilla. As for BF3, with populated servers Vanilla beats DLC servers in every mode. That's Vanilla VS B2K, CQ, AK, AM, and EG. Feel free to check yourself. So this "DLC splits the playerbase :(((" is retarded.[/QUOTE] It's retarded even though it happens and negatively affects the game ? Wouldn't it better if EVERYTHING was populated, not just vanilla or the DLC ? or if players who had the DLC didn't shoot you in the face with weapons you don't have access to ? Personally, i think it should be done kinda like ARMA 2 does it, if you don't have the DLC, the graphics on all the DLC content is locked to low or something, all weapons are obtainable but can be unlocked right away if you buy the DLC, and everything else cosmetic is locked to buyers only. That way you don't have to split up the community or give a portion of it a slight advantage over anyone else, while still giving incentive to buy your content. They could at the very least lock the maps and give the weapons to everyone, that would be enough for me. [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Novangel;41928373]How does the BF2 model not encourage people to pay for the expansions and DLCs while BF3 and BF4 does?[/QUOTE] You don't have people running around with grappling hooks on base BF2 afaik, or DLC only servers populating your browser.
Who cares about DLC weapons? Weapons in general in BF3 are slight variations of each other in the first place. DLC weapons are even more slightly different in stats or in some cases just plain reskins of vanilla weapons. Yeah it'd be cool if all the addons were populated but that surely doesn't allow people to go "all addon content post launch should be freeeeee." And no, this split playerbase shit doesn't happen. Vanilla will always be populated and will be the last populated sector of a game before vanilla itself dies. Stop saying it does because in the past and in the future it hasn't. [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] Would it be nice if DLC was free? Sure. Is it understandable that they charge for it? Yes. Is it acceptable to whine like children that you aren't getting DLC for free? Hell no. You buy the base game you get the base game and any required fixes along the way. That's it.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41927675]Am I the only one that finds this ridiculous? Advertising new vehicles and weapons when the actual game isn't even out. I bet this is completely finished as well and they're just sitting on it[/QUOTE] yep, sounds like DICE.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41928797]yep, sounds like DICE.[/QUOTE] Actually it doesn't. B2K for BF3 was in development up until a couple weeks before it's validation and release.
[QUOTE=Deep;41928492]You don't have people running around with grappling hooks on base BF2 afaik, or DLC only servers populating your browser.[/QUOTE] Euro Force had exclusive weapons that you could use in the base game.
[QUOTE=legolover122;41928741]Who cares about DLC weapons? Weapons in general in BF3 are slight variations of each other in the first place. DLC weapons are even more slightly different in stats or in some cases just plain reskins of vanilla weapons. [/quote] They are different, players who pay more have more choice. It's a slight advantage but an advantage nonetheless. [quote]Yeah it'd be cool if all the addons were populated but that surely doesn't allow people to go "all addon content post launch should be freeeeee."[/quote] No one's saying that [quote]And no, this split playerbase shit doesn't happen. Vanilla will always be populated and will be the last populated sector of a game before vanilla itself dies. Stop saying it does because in the past and in the future it hasn't.[/quote] What ? if a part of the game dies before another it means they were split, it should all die at the same time, a game shouldn't have sectors in the first place. [quote] Would it be nice if DLC was free? Sure. Is it understandable that they charge for it? Yes. Is it acceptable to whine like children that you aren't getting DLC for free? Hell no. You buy the base game you get the base game and any required fixes along the way. That's it.[/QUOTE] This isn't making the DLCs free, it's locking as much as you can without splitting up the player base, it works for A2. And no one's whining like children and begging for a free game. Again, if they really NEED to lock the maps and split up the players, then at least make the weapons free. Not only that would be fair, but it would also keep people who don't buy any DLC interested in the game, they would come back every once in a while and you know, maybe even buy the DLCs then.
Damn, BF4 is looking pretty awesome.
I don't think anyone is really mad about the fact there's DLC, it's just advertising the DLC long before the game is out is sort of a dick move. Map packs suck though, because it basically disallows me to play with friends who own it who want to play on those maps.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;41927704]still don't get why DLC that is made and announced at the same time as the game can't be [b]released with the damn game[/b][/QUOTE] because it doesn't get developed within the game's budget
give me Dragon Valley and Dalian Plant or give me death
Give me BF4: SF with Devil's Perch and grappling hooks and ziplines. BF2:SF was fucking awesome
Just buy premium for $60, problem solved
[QUOTE=itisjuly;41927854] I suppose they could only be triggered after X time or some other specific condition. Don't think the city will get flooded within first minute of the game.[/QUOTE] Well they're probably going for it just as soon as the opportunity comes up every time.
BF4 pre-order bonus is the same as BF3's one - you get first DLC pack. BF3's was Back to Karkand, which is epic and has my favorite maps from BF2(except Wake Island). This time, it's 4 China maps, and I fucking hope there are BF2 maps. If not, DLC potential wasted.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;41929473]give me Dragon Valley and Dalian Plant or give me death[/QUOTE] FuShe Pass and Highway Tampa, too. Please.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41927675]Am I the only one that finds this ridiculous? Advertising new vehicles and weapons when the actual game isn't even out. I bet this is completely finished as well and they're just sitting on it[/QUOTE] As usual, a games journalist website is promoting this and not asking around for anyone to explain why this is happening. The gaming industry is rotten sometimes.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;41929473]give me Dragon Valley and Dalian Plant or give me death[/QUOTE] Dragon Valley on Frostbite could look pretty fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=booster;41927728]Wasn't Back to Karkand announced before BF3 was released?[/QUOTE] I stopped playing BF3 before they actually made us play Back to Karkand, which had my favourite BF2 maps So that's nice
Look, more people who don't understand how DLC works. Battlefield 4 is done. The developers got paid for their time, and right now they're just polishing it up. China Rising is a pack coming out a few months after release, that the developers are [I]developing.[/I] "Developing" is their job. People generally get this thing called "money" in return for working. It also costs money to distribute and market this DLC pack. Once it's released, it will cost money because the publisher invested a ton of money into it, and the developers put a lot of work into it. This... "product" is then given to consumers in exchange for this "money" thing. No wait lol they just RIPPED IT OUT OF THE MAIN GAME gGRRRRr VIDEOGAMES!!! I am entitled to that extra content even though I already got the main game for my relatively low price of 60 dollars!
I remember back in the day when a lot of games had Free DLC.
[QUOTE=-n3o-;41937178]I remember back in the day when a lot of games had Free DLC.[/QUOTE] You mean like, right now? Me too!
Gee and just a few days ago everyone on FP was saying EA was some sort of saint for allowing refunds of games on Origin within 24 hours. This is just a dick move; they'd easily make money and keep sales going if they released a good product and kept supporting it with new content after release (like some other titles manage to do). They'll probably block modding again so that no community content comes out too. Anyway, I think ARMA 3 is better in a lot of ways, so I'm not going to buy this.
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;41938382]Gee and just a few days ago everyone on FP was saying EA was some sort of saint for allowing refunds of games on Origin within 24 hours. [b]This is just a dick move; they'd easily make money and keep sales going if they released a good product and kept supporting it with new content after release (like some other titles manage to do).[/b] They'll probably block modding again so that no community content comes out too. Anyway, I think ARMA 3 is better in a lot of ways, so I'm not going to buy this.[/QUOTE] That's LITERALLY what they're doing. Do you even think before you post?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41937120]Look, more people who don't understand how DLC works. Battlefield 4 is done. The developers got paid for their time, and right now they're just polishing it up. China Rising is a pack coming out a few months after release, that the developers are [I]developing.[/I] "Developing" is their job. People generally get this thing called "money" in return for working. It also costs money to distribute and market this DLC pack. Once it's released, it will cost money because the publisher invested a ton of money into it, and the developers put a lot of work into it. This... "product" is then given to consumers in exchange for this "money" thing. No wait lol they just RIPPED IT OUT OF THE MAIN GAME gGRRRRr VIDEOGAMES!!! I am entitled to that extra content even though I already got the main game for my relatively low price of 60 dollars![/QUOTE] Yeah the game will probably ship with a bunch of bugs on the superior Origin platform while everyone in the office was beating off to the new DLC. I think people are pissed off with the fact that as a consumer you expect to buy a 'finished product' that is the best the developer and publisher could put together. Then again, this is Electronic Arts we're talking about, so I don't even know why people are surprised by moves like this anymore. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;41938392]That's LITERALLY what they're doing. Do you even think before you post?[/QUOTE] No its not; perhaps I should have phrased it better. I mean releasing content for free to make the 'good' game 'better' for anyone and everyone who purchased it. Releasing expansion packs and DLC is extra content that you have to purchase that bifurcates the community to some extent. Even ARMA devs released ARMA 2 for free as low resolution eventually allowing the game to shine for everyone. Games like gmod, TF2, DOTA, KSP and a few others are examples of a developer/publisher releasing a game, and then saying "you know what this game is doing really well, and we've made money off it, we'll release some more content, have a sale and see how sales go!" And they end up making even more money.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41937120]Look, more people who don't understand how DLC works. Battlefield 4 is done. The developers got paid for their time, and right now they're just polishing it up. China Rising is a pack coming out a few months after release, that the developers are [I]developing.[/I] "Developing" is their job. People generally get this thing called "money" in return for working. It also costs money to distribute and market this DLC pack. Once it's released, it will cost money because the publisher invested a ton of money into it, and the developers put a lot of work into it. This... "product" is then given to consumers in exchange for this "money" thing. No wait lol they just RIPPED IT OUT OF THE MAIN GAME gGRRRRr VIDEOGAMES!!! I am entitled to that extra content even though I already got the main game for my relatively low price of 60 dollars![/QUOTE] Most people here don't appear to realize that once a good portion of development is done, the concept artists and such who aren't really used near the end of the game's life time aren't just sitting around waiting for everyone else to finish, they're putting together ideas for things such as DLC or another game. Stuff that can't be completed and polished before the game ships.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41938427]Most people here don't appear to realize that once a good portion of development is done, the concept artists and such who aren't really used near the end of the game's life time aren't just sitting around waiting for everyone else to finish, they're putting together ideas for things such as DLC or another game. Stuff that can't be completed and polished before the game ships.[/QUOTE] Fucking this. But apparently developers are robots that don't deserve any compensation for their work because hurp durp it's on the disk so I am entitled to it.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41938427]Most people here don't appear to realize that once a good portion of development is done, the concept artists and such who aren't really used near the end of the game's life time aren't just sitting around waiting for everyone else to finish, they're putting together ideas for things such as DLC or another game. Stuff that can't be completed and polished before the game ships.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can really suggest that DICE and EA had a bunch of artists laying around and were like "YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS, WHY DON'T WE DO A DLC RIGHT NOW! STARTING TODAY!!!!!" This is obviously something that was planned from long ago, like with every recent BF and Call of Duty title. The idea new content cannot be integrated is bullshit too; don't think when you go buy the game you won't have to download a 16 GB update just to get the game working. The game will in no way be identical to what is pressed onto discs. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;41938437]Fucking this. But apparently developers are robots that don't deserve any compensation for their work because hurp durp it's on the disk so I am entitled to it.[/QUOTE] I think everyone is aware by now that most pushes for DLC like this are made by publishers. To be fair, the publisher can do whatever they want; its works for them because stupid idiot call of duty fanboys eat this shit up. I don't purchase games like this, or purchase DLC that is manufactured in this manner, because I vote with my wallet where I can. I also think, that announcing this sort of thing and not working in secret will not only piss off people, but it will make them not actually look forward to the game. BF4 is supposed to be the "bigger and better" thing everyone is waiting for, when you're already showcasing something that is "bigger and better" than the base game, how are you supposed to get excited?
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