Four stupid mistakes I made when installing Linux to get a free Team Fortress 2 penguin - Sensationalist Headlines

I didn't even know that ubuntu was not a good distro anymore. I used 12.10 in virtualbox (steam didn't like my dedicated ubuntu partition on my second drive) to get the penguin. A large problem with switching to linux right now is that many aspects of linux is still terminal based. Meanwhile, windows and OSX is largely gui based. It makes it more frustrating to novice users to learn all the commands.

[QUOTE=vexx21322;39656883]I didn't even know that ubuntu was not a good distro anymore. I used 12.10 in virtualbox (steam didn't like my dedicated ubuntu partition on my second drive) to get the penguin. A large problem with switching to linux right now is that many aspects of linux is still terminal based. Meanwhile, windows and OSX is largely gui based. It makes it more frustrating to novice users to learn all the commands.[/QUOTE] Really? I've never used the command line for anything except when I want to install specific packages or develop software. I just prefer the terminal in those areas, but everything else happens strictly in GUI space. Package managers are usually GUI as well, so wher is it required to the average gamer or user to open and learn the terminal?

[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;39657157]Really? I've never used the command line for anything except when I want to install specific packages or develop software. I just prefer the terminal in those areas, but everything else happens strictly in GUI space. Package managers are usually GUI as well, so wher is it required to the average gamer user to open and learn the terminal?[/QUOTE] In my experience with a couple different distros, I found that terminal use was pretty common. Also, if you want to do any troubleshooting or repair, terminal use is pretty much the best way, and in some cases, required. I should have also noted that this isn't with every single distro. I've only tried Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian

i want to learn more about using linux but there's a billion fucking commands i need to know as in, terminal use which i will inevitably have to use at some point

[QUOTE=Dead snipe;39657240]i want to learn more about using linux but there's a billion fucking commands i need to know as in, terminal use which i will inevitably have to use at some point[/QUOTE] Write some of them down.

Always research first :v: [QUOTE=Roger Waters;39655503]this guy is a fucking moron. IT'S EVERYONE'S FAULT BUT MY OWN NO MATTER WHAT! I DIDN'T DO THE RESEARCH AND EXPECTED EVERYTHING TO GO PERFECTLY FINE SO IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT![/QUOTE] whoa dudes watch out guys we have a badass here [sp]who can't read titles[/sp] [editline]20th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;39657459]Write some of them down.[/QUOTE] Etch them into your flesh

[QUOTE=danharibo;39656329]wow again. I couldn't see where Valve recommends Wubi on their website, and on the sale page they're currently linking to [url=http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop]here[/url] which only mentions Wubi under "Other ways to install Ubuntu". [/QUOTE] I found it here: [url]http://www.teamfortress.com/linux/[/url] If you go to the Linux sale page on Steam and click on the TF2 item it takes you there. [quote]New to Linux? Try Ubuntu, our favorite version of the Linux operating system. Try it on your desktop PC or laptop online, through a USB stick or even run it alongside Windows to see what you think.[/quote]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39657552]I found it here: [url]http://www.teamfortress.com/linux/[/url] If you go to the Linux sale page on Steam and click on the TF2 item it takes you there.[/QUOTE] I Missed that page. Bad Valve! Don't do that. [editline]20th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Dead snipe;39657240]i want to learn more about using linux but there's a billion fucking commands i need to know as in, terminal use which i will inevitably have to use at some point[/QUOTE] There is not, if you [i]absolutely fucking have to[/i] use a terminal to fix a particular problem, you will probably already have the commands you need to run in front of you. For everything else you can use some other GUI tool to do the job.

[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;39656187]Did you know that instlling Windows require more knowledge than installing Linux, especially if you've already got a system installed? Otherwise you'll just lose the other system because Windows doesn't give you any options.[/QUOTE] Look take it this way. For the sheer majority of people they are either a) reinstalling windows b) updating their windows version c) installing windows on an empty disc d) installing windows on a mac In each of those cases you have a simple, error free method of doing just that. If installing windows creates problems if it's installed after a nix distro is already installed (which it does, since it replaces grub) it shouldn't be window's problem. Instead Linux distro devs should offer a method similar to installing windows on a mac. The thing is, over and over again I see it repeated. Linux users and devs keep forgetting they are the minority and expect the majority follow suit. Without realising that their behaviour only makes it certain that the majority is going to stay away. Essentially to this day, linux has essentially been successful in only 3 areas to be honest. a) embedded devices - the user basically never interact with the system and when they do it's trough a straightforward GUI. b) servers - the average user pretty much never even comes close to the system c) android - anything even requiring the user to have higher end knowledge has been kicked into the gutter and the user is instead offered a very simple to use system Linux is still, after so many years pretty much dead on the desktop.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;39658160]Look take it this way. For the sheer majority of people they are either a) reinstalling windows b) updating their windows version c) installing windows on an empty disc d) installing windows on a mac In each of those cases you have a simple, error free method of doing just that. If installing windows creates problems if it's installed after a nix distro is already installed (which it does, since it replaces grub) it shouldn't be window's problem. Instead Linux distro devs should offer a method similar to installing windows on a mac.[/QUOTE] Have you used the Live Ubuntu installer? It could not be simpler; you can click next a couple of times, put in your username and reboot. [QUOTE=wraithcat;39658160] The thing is, over and over again I see it repeated. Linux [b]desktop[/b] users and devs keep forgetting they are the minority and expect the majority follow suit. Without realising that their behaviour only makes it certain that the majority is going to stay away. Essentially to this day, linux has essentially been successful in only 3 areas to be honest. a) embedded devices - the user basically never interact with the system and when they do it's trough a straightforward GUI. b) servers - the average user pretty much never even comes close to the system c) android - anything even requiring the user to have higher end knowledge has been kicked into the gutter and the user is instead offered a very simple to use system Linux is still, after so many years pretty much dead on the desktop.[/QUOTE] It's funny that you say [i]only[/i], since the desktop is the [i]only[/i] space in which a Linux based OS isn't a significant slice of the market.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39656004]Pretty stupid of you as Wubi is a official method of installation. Maybe you should blame Ubuntu devs and not him? All caps..[/QUOTE] Have you ever been in any general Linux threads here on FP? Canoical gets a shitload of flak there since they almost suddenly went in the wrong direction, leaving Linux Mint to pick up the slack.

[QUOTE=n0cturni;39655825]I think it's funny that using Ubuntu in the first place is actually a completely valid mistake.[/QUOTE] it really is, of all the distros I have dicked around with (like 5 or so) Ubuntu has always been bad

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39656151]Meh any OS system that requires backwater neckbeard forum delving just to validate a bloody correct install is a bad system OS.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NoDachi;39656166]the only winning move is to not play at all.[/QUOTE] Those two comments fit so perfectly together. [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;39656188]See, this is why people like Windows and Mac. Because when they follow a recommended guide from a trusted company, [I]it works[/I]![/QUOTE] Well tell me why there's so many tech support firms then? They (Microsoft, Apple, etc etc) have problems too, they just sweep them under the carpet since profits are at stake.

Linux is care free under Mint or something. Ubuntu now sucks and I don't care to learn how to unfuck it. I know nothing about terminals or needed commands to do stuff with it other than the word "sudo" is used on allot of terminals. And guess what? It never limited my experience, because the distros I've used are not shit and don't require any user maintenance or computer janitoring

A lot of people in this thread are posting like Linux seeks to dominate the market. From what I hear they are just people who like dicking around with their OS / want an alterative from Windows and Mac

To be honest this guy's only mistake was calling Linux dumb. Apart from that he was perfectly right to install the latest version of Ubuntu with Wubi, not because it's a good idea, but because nothing on the Ubuntu website tells you not to. Ubuntu really needs to make things clearer on their website that users who want to ensure a stable operating system should use the LTS build and NOT use Wubi. If the guy had read this he wouldn't have done either of those things. Sure people told him not to use Wubi, but is he gonna trust some people over the Ubuntu and Steam website?

[QUOTE=Xron;39658916]A lot of people in this thread are posting like Linux seeks to dominate the market. From what I hear they are just people who like dicking around with their OS / want an alterative from Windows and Mac[/QUOTE] Both are true, and in most cases it's probably the second. But after having used Linux, I would gladly pay money for it. The freedom thing it gives you is something to be experienced, something I find hard to describe to people. It's what keeps me on this platform.

[QUOTE=Xron;39658916]A lot of people in this thread are posting like Linux seeks to dominate the market.[/QUOTE] I'd be happy enough if Apple and Microsoft gets a regular & healthy dose of reality checks from a big third-party.

[QUOTE=Dead snipe;39657240]i want to learn more about using linux but there's a billion fucking commands i need to know as in, terminal use which i will inevitably have to use at some point[/QUOTE] sudo ls mkdir rm rmdir touch mount apt-get (if debian based distro) du -h shutdown wget service These are the commands I generally need on my ubuntu server machine. That's a headless system. Anything else is usually a program such as a text editor or one of the above commands with a flag (ls -a etc).