[QUOTE=Lyoko774;40563231]I'd also imagine its because Steam's recommended distro is a pile of ass[/QUOTE]
I don't see why people don't just use mint, its FAR better
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;40563185]It's because there are still so little games for Linux. If all my favorite games support linux and don't crash all the time etc, it's byebye Windows and hello Linux for me.[/QUOTE]
Same. Except Linux also needs to have MSVC, Photoshop, XProtect Smart Client, Perforce, Skype, VMWare Sphere, Unity, Tortoise SVN, Nem's VTF Viewer, GCF Viewer and all of Valve's tools.
And probably 100 other things that you use on Windows and never even think about.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Same. Except Linux also needs to have[/quote]
Here we go
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]MSVC[/quote]
That'll obviously never happen, but of course there are plenty of IDEs that are as good for most tasks but there's still some stuff that needs to be done but I haven't used Visual Studio properly for a long time so I have no idea what else it does that you can't do with another IDE.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Photoshop[/quote]
Given, the GIMP team is around 1-2 people so they don't have the same manpower as adobe. I suppose adobe really need to get on the ball with this one (or more people can contribute to GIMP or something). There are a few other programs that are apparently quite good like Krita, but they're more specialised than Photoshop I think.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]XProtect Smart Client[/quote]
I can see that being difficult to find an alternative for.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Perforce[/quote]
That's already available for Linux as far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Skype[/quote]
same, I'm using it right now.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]VMWare Sphere[/quote]
There are plenty of alternatives like xenserver, I think.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Unity[/quote]
Quite, the recent 4.2 version or whatever it is doesn't even work in Wine.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Tortoise SVN[/quote]
That is a fairly simple tool to replace, plenty of alternatives.
[QUOTE=garry;40568452]Nem's VTF Viewer, GCF Viewer and all of Valve's tools.[/quote]
This is another big one for the source crowd, I guess that Nem will either have to port it himself or someone else will write alternatives. Valve are going to have to overhaul their tools at some point anyway to use Qt, since the SDK uses MFC at the moment which I'm sure is not helping maintaining it.
So I not only have to change my OS, I have to change almost every program I use. And I need to change all my servers to use a different virtualization system.
And what is the benefit?
[QUOTE=garry;40568558]So I not only have to change my OS, I have to change almost every program I use. And I need to change all my servers to use a different virtualization system.
And what is the benefit?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is asking you to change, you just said Linux needed those programs and I responded with my thoughts.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;40564386]TBH, There is no point in using Linux when GPU drivers are this bad, I mean, did you ever use an AMD GPU on Linux? Its a nightmare![/QUOTE]
Apparently There's absolutely [B]NO[/B] support for the ATI GPU in my laptop, because AMD doesn't give a fuck about hybrid-GPU setup's where the power saving gpu isn't of their design.
The biggest hurdle is getting Nvidia and AMD to release [B]GOOD[/B] Linux drivers for anything else than their cutting edge hardware.
Which is most likely never gonna happen, even though it could be played as great PR.
[QUOTE=garry;40568558]So I not only have to change my OS, I have to change almost every program I use. And I need to change all my servers to use a different virtualization system.
And what is the benefit?[/QUOTE]
You become more versatile because you learn to use new tools. And also the average user doesn't need half the tools you listed.
[QUOTE=Cyril;40568598]And also the average user doesn't need half the tools you listed.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that most academic engineering programs pretty much have to be multi-platform to be considered good.
[QUOTE=garry;40568558]So I not only have to change my OS, I have to change almost every program I use. And I need to change all my servers to use a different virtualization system.
And what is the benefit?[/QUOTE]
I guess this is part of the core issue for Linux. Aside from dependency on incompatible software most users simply don't need it, because it appears to have absolutely nothing to offer over Windows that outweighs the hassle of switching, there's no appeal. Are there any specific advantages to Linux that non-power users may benefit from at all?
Yeah. I understand the need for linux. It's useful to have it in a server environment.
But I don't think it's going to succeed as a desktop OS when its only real feature is that it's free and it makes you epenis longer. Especially when Ubuntu seems to be doing everything it can to make the desktop environment worse than Windows.
does there exist a linux shell that doesn't suck ass?
every one I've tried feel like shitty feedback-less java forms
Re: Everyone who responded to my comment
Ubuntu is just a mess. I wouldn't mind it so much if it wasn't so buggy. For something that is supposed to be THE beginner's distro, its rather hard to use and is very unstable. 13.04 was unusable on every bit of hardware I tried it on due to either poor performance, crashes, or rendering issues.
GPU drivers wise, my Sony Laptop for some dumb reason forces me to use AMD 2010 drivers on Windows, yet on Linux I am able to use the latest FGLRX. Having to go onto the sony support site to find the drivers for my laptop was a major hassle and I generally dislike how lazy OEMs are with these things. Since Ubuntu version 11.04 everything in my laptop works with immediate install.
[QUOTE]I guess this is part of the core issue for Linux. Aside from dependency on incompatible software most users simply don't need it, because it appears to have absolutely nothing to offer over Windows that outweighs the hassle of switching, there's no appeal. Are there any specific advantages to Linux that non-power users may benefit from at all? [/QUOTE]
Considering that most of the causal users function has shifted to mostly web apps, I think that all most of these people need is Ubuntu 12.04/13.04 with unity, or Mint with Cinnamon/Gnome shell with instant access to firefox. Those with a bit more experience might want to give OpenSUSE a try, that distro takes KDE4 and makes it _just work_
Games wise, my Steam Library has grown to 151 listed games, 45 of them run on Linux. There are much more to come. Sure, it wont support _every_ game but as this list grows, I run out of reasons to have my windows partition as big as I do.
One more interesting thing to note, Unity gave me a web survey not to long ago, featuring a few questions about Linux. But the one that got me was paraphrased a bit like "How important to you is having Linux as a main development platform?" i.e. If the unity tools were on linux would you use them. We may not be there yet, but I certainly see good things in the future.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;40568715]Re: Everyone who responded to my comment
Ubuntu is just a mess. I wouldn't mind it so much if it wasn't so buggy. For something that is supposed to be THE beginner's distro, its rather hard to use and is very unstable. 13.04 was unusable on every bit of hardware I tried it on due to either poor performance, crashes, or rendering issues.[/QUOTE]
Did you install it normally or in windows? Because wubi is a pile of crap and doesn't work properly afaik.
[QUOTE=Dj-J3;40569151]Did you install it normally or in windows? Because wubi is a pile of crap and doesn't work properly afaik.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure wubi was removed from 13.04 last I heard. It's never been the most reliable installation method, more of an emergency last resort.
EDIT:
Though personally, running a 'Persistant Live USB install' would be a more reliable option.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40566855]it genuinely is better than Windows (granted it's not hard to be better than an OS that is more about ensuring monopoly control than to be a good OS) it just needs better graphics card drivers and game support[/QUOTE]
So what makes it a better OS exactly? To me as a user. I'm not talking about features a power user might want. But me as a user, perhaps slightly more experienced, but still average.
With OSx I get a very well working OS, with controlled hardware and support that also has decent UX and UI. And I know most hardware vendors will try to support stuff like printers and similar as well.
With windows I get a very well working OS, which works on a massive amount of hardware, supports a massive amount of software, has a fairly thought out UI and UX and generally gives a nice amount of features. Not to mention I have experience with it. And if I so desire, I can change the UI and UX to some extent. Alternative shells like litestep are a good example.
With linux based distros, I get an OS with multiple often, not well functional shells, with most external hardware I have to hope that it will work with a generic driver, same goes for internal hardware. And if a hardware vendor deems it good enough to release a driver it will usually offer bad performance.
That's not me saying linux isn't good. It's great in places where it's part of the solution from the beginning. Server, embedded hardware and stuff where the modularity and customisability are useful from the very beginning.
It's also why you it being important in stuff like phones, routers etc, but rarely desktops.
I wish I had more experince with Linux other than Freespire back in like 2008.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
Also Windows 8 is still Windows, so it plays just about all of the games on Steam. Of course it's going to be more popular.
[QUOTE=garry;40568682]Yeah. I understand the need for linux. It's useful to have it in a server environment.
But I don't think it's going to succeed as a desktop OS when its only real feature is that it's free and it makes you epenis longer. Especially when Ubuntu seems to be doing everything it can to make the desktop environment worse than Windows.[/QUOTE]
I'd say less overhead is a pretty good feature over Windows. But yeah, otherwise I agree. I see no point in Linux. I love Win8.
[QUOTE=redBadger;40565795]Too bad I I have absolutely no reason to use Linux[/QUOTE]
I never really understood the hardon for Linux. Someone care to explain in a more detailed fashion?
[QUOTE=garry;40568558]So I not only have to change my OS, I have to change almost every program I use. And I need to change all my servers to use a different virtualization system.
[B]And what is the benefit?[/B][/QUOTE]
not using Windows which is a bad OS
[QUOTE=dass;40573798]I never really understood the hardon for Linux. Someone care to explain in a more detailed fashion?[/QUOTE]
It's free, open-source and anyone with the know-how can modify it to its needs. Linux is mostly Open Source and completely free, which has lots of implications. Not only is it free to download, but everyone is free to modify it and spread it any way they please. It's a pretty glorious example of what free software can be, and serves as a counterpoint to corporatism and proprietary software development. With Linux, you're not (directly) at the mercy of the whims and greed of Microsoft or Apple. One could say Linux is the embodiment of an ideology. I think even non-fans of Linux will agree that it's pretty bad how Windows and Mac users are completely dependent on the respective companies behind those products in a world where our operating systems are such a massive part of our lives.
In essence, aside from the technical differences (which I am not educated in so I'll shut up), anybody who cares about the risk of being buttfucked by MS or Apple has at least one reason to be interested in Linux.
[QUOTE=dass;40573798]I never really understood the hardon for Linux. Someone care to explain in a more detailed fashion?[/QUOTE]
an OS that is better and more advanced than Windows but is free unlike Windows which is $200.
there are more reasons but who cares? You're probably gonna ask "how is it better?" Well remember back in the day (like say 2005) how bad internet explorer was and how many times better Firefox was? Or how there were those programs that you had to buy that a free alternative could do? Like how allot of Google's services are free and/or better than allot of their competitors of the past who often offered paid for services? Once you're free from Microsoft's prison you don't wanna go back
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
I should note that I do not care much for the open source philosophy or anything that many Linux users talk about, I more follow the saying "I don't use Linux because it's free, I use it because it's [I]better[/I]"
[QUOTE=Dj-J3;40569151]Did you install it normally or in windows? Because wubi is a pile of crap and doesn't work properly afaik.[/QUOTE]
Normally. No offense, but I'm not an idiot. I've had plenty of experience with various Linux distros. Ubuntu has just gone down the toilet recently, it seems like their release cycles are just too short.
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