It's time to embrace wireless gaming mice - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Lolkork;51719307]why?[/QUOTE] It's an attempt at alleviating slam clicking (ie clicking when the mouse hits the pad as you lower it, usually after doing long swipes that need you to recenter afterwards). Wouldn't even be needed if they would design their shells properly since a well designed shell shouldn't do it at all even with 0ms debounce. [editline]24th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=voltlight;51719341]Using G700s and I couldn't go back to wired mice for gaming. The cable tug/drag is just too much of a problem for me (and no, I can't use a bungie with my desk). There's really nothing to fear with wireless mice compared to the early days, where input lag really was a problem.[/QUOTE] Nothing to fear with G700s (other than shit sensor, massive weight, bad firmware which drops loads of polls, input delay, and dodgy shape).

Yeah I got the G900. After litterly being stubborn for years on never getting a wireless mouse for my main pc. I've tried my few shares of them in past years and they all sucked to many issues to properly FPS game on them. But this mouse oh my god it was expensive but they actaully did it. With it having 32-36 hours of battery life. It lasts me all week and I use my pc daily. And when its low on battery I just plug in the wire thats connected to a receiver which I unplug. And my mouse is charging on the go. I also keep the receiver right next to my mousepad sure there is a cable but the latancy this way being so short to the mouse is excellent, I honestly cannot tell the difference with plugged in mouse and wireless on this one. And it has 1000Hz polling rate with best sensor logitech has. Best mouse i've ever bought it was bit getting used to with not needing to drag a cable along but damn this is most freedom that I felt using a mouse ever. I love doing 360 spin with my mouse and then line up a headshot. ya'll with a wire cant do this. Yeah I may sound like im trying to sell this mouse to you all but really I did not know what I was missing ti'll I actaully had a wireless mouse that felt good!

[QUOTE=Brancki427;51719469]Yeah I got the G900. After litterly being stubborn for years on never getting a wireless mouse for my main pc. I've tried my few shares of them in past years and they all sucked to many issues to properly FPS game on them. But this mouse oh my god it was expensive but they actaully did it. With it having 32-36 hours of battery life. It lasts me all week and I use my pc daily. And when its low on battery I just plug in the wire thats connected to a receiver which I unplug. And my mouse is charging on the go. I also keep it right next to my mousepad sure there is a cable but the latancy this way being so short to the mouse is excellent, I honestly cannot tell the difference with plugged in mouse and wireless on this one. Best mouse i've ever bought it was bit getting used to with not needing to drag a cable along but damn this is most freedom that I felt using a mouse ever. I love doing 360 spin with my mouse and then line up a headshot. ya'll with a wire cant do this.[/QUOTE] I play on 80cm/360 so I can't do a 360 without doing 2 swipes anyway. If I had a larger mousepad I could easily. Having a wire in no way impedes your ability to use the full extent of your pad unless you are doing something very wrong with your desk.

[QUOTE=Chubbs;51719476]I play on 80cm/360 so I can't do a 360 without doing 2 swipes anyway. If I had a larger mousepad I could easily. Having a wire in no way impedes your ability to use the full extent of your pad unless you are doing something very wrong with your desk.[/QUOTE] I wasn't talking about wire making your movements contricted. I've used wired mice for years and I never had that problem. But when cable tugging is removed you feel so much freedom. I was reffering to the 360 spin as a thing I can do. I got a big mousepad thought. Also in situations like using VR and going on bed to watch a movie. I just take this mouse with me to use virtual desktop. Im just naming some things other than cable tugging.

[QUOTE=Chubbs;51719021](click delay goes up to like 8ms when the sensor isn't tracking lmao).[/QUOTE] Happens to every Logitech mouse after the G300s, a lot of mice do this actually, it's not Logitech exclusive.

I'm not totally against wireless hardware. It's just that I have no reason to get a wireless mouse for gaming. I don't need that feature. I have a wireless mouse for travel and it's fine for casual use and gaming. I use my Steam Controller wireless, though. Especially because I uses gyro for aiming and stuff. I've owned it for around a year now and I've only had to replace batteries four times I'd say. Though I have run into instances where the battery died in the middle of a game. Its battery notification could be better.

I can't stand cables on mice. For me, they either always moved in my way or made it harder to drag the mouse (especially since I had my mouse and keyboard on a tray beneath the desk until recently so the cable was just dangling in the air). I have a cheap mouse from a chinese manufacturer with five buttons and 2000 dpi for 15 bucks from Amazon. When the rechargeable eneloop battery is empty after around three to six months, I put it in my charger and always have another one ready. I recommend those batteries no matter if it's for the mouse or something else. I don't play games competitive but I can't imagine right now that it's that much of a difference.

[QUOTE=DasMatze;51720224]I can't stand cables on mice. For me, they either always moved in my way or made it harder to drag the mouse (especially since I had my mouse and keyboard on a tray beneath the desk until recently so the cable was just dangling in the air). I have a cheap mouse from a chinese manufacturer with five buttons and 2000 dpi for 15 bucks from Amazon. When the rechargeable eneloop battery is empty after around three to six months, I put it in my charger and always have another one ready. I recommend those batteries no matter if it's for the mouse or something else. I don't play games competitive but I can't imagine right now that it's that much of a difference.[/QUOTE] A cheap chinese wireless mouse will have a firmware written by a complete retard and will as such drop reports out the ass, be locked to 125Hz and have a shit sensor.

[QUOTE=voltlight;51719341]Using G700s and I couldn't go back to wired mice for gaming. The cable tug/drag is just too much of a problem for me (and no, I can't use a bungie with my desk). There's really nothing to fear with wireless mice compared to the early days, where input lag really was a problem.[/QUOTE] is "cable" drag an actual issue for you people? it's pretty easy to set it up so that never, ever happens.

Cable drag only happens because you're obviously too retarded to not give the cable any slack or get a bungee. Also, wireless mice always have more delay, regardless of the advertising, sure to some people who can't figure out the difference will say it's the same. It's not, even new wireless mice have noticeable yet small delay.

The best thing about playing games back when I used a wireless mouse was when the batteries would die and I'd have to switch them out as fast as I could to get back in, was always super exciting.

[QUOTE=voltlight;51719341]Using G700s and I couldn't go back to wired mice for gaming. The cable tug/drag is just too much of a problem for me (and no, I can't use a bungie with my desk). There's really nothing to fear with wireless mice compared to the early days, where input lag really was a problem.[/QUOTE] I'm using a G700s with the cord actually plugged in and I've had literally no issues whatsoever resulting from it. Personally I don't see the point in even bothering to use it wireless unless you're sitting in a location where the cord wouldn't even reach your computer to begin with. Just seems like more hassle than it's worth adding the whole battery concern to the mix when the cord works flawlessly.

Never liked wireless peripherals. I have one wireless keyboard with a trackball and it burns two AAA batteries in a day if left on all the time. I basically use it as a remote when viewing movies or youtube on my TV so it doesn't bother me that much, but If it was my only keyboard I would get annoyed pretty fast. And yeah I know most wireless keyboards and mice have longer battery life, I just don't feel like dealing with it. I plug my mouse on my G15 and there's enough slack on the wire that I can't even feel it's there.

i would love a keyboard mouse combo that was wireless and rechargable if it had the same response time as the set up i currently have.

[QUOTE=bitches;51716201]so are you going to argue with reasons against the claims made in the article? i've got the personal experience, as do other brave facepunchers, to say that pricey wireless mice are actually good now [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] consider something: simple home wifi can stream 1080p 90fps data at 6ms latency; why do you think less than a thousandth of the data that a mouse uses can't be done in 1ms over a dedicated short-range wireless connection?[/QUOTE] Oh no of course not I just thought it was a funny snipe

It's time to delete PCGamer.

I don't require wireless anything as my peripherals never move from my desk, so I'd rather stay with cheaper and delay-less mice

Wireless mice yes, gaming mice no. I've used both extremely cheap mice and expensive gaming ones both wired and wireless and there is practically zero difference except in your head, latency isn't an issue with most responding faster than you can possibly move your hand, interference is also pretty much a thing of the past with most modern ones using efficient 2.4GHz transmitters and receivers now and battery life is in the months range from a single alkaline AA, same applies to keyboards, literally the only reason I can think of not to use wireless is security which for mice doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=bitches;51716201]so are you going to argue with reasons against the claims made in the article? i've got the personal experience, as do other brave facepunchers, to say that pricey wireless mice are actually good now [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] consider something: simple home wifi can stream 1080p 90fps data at 6ms latency; why do you think less than a thousandth of the data that a mouse uses can't be done in 1ms over a dedicated short-range wireless connection?[/QUOTE] The sole fact that I have to change its batteries is enough of a reason to tell wireless mice to go [b]fuck themselves[/b].

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51732631]The sole fact that I have to change its batteries is enough of a reason to tell wireless mice to go [b]fuck themselves[/b].[/QUOTE] Having a desk free of wires is imo worth the tiny inconvenince of having to change a battery, I would have agreed with you in the past with them only lasting like 1 or 2 weeks but new mice last up to 6 months on a single battery, they do rechargeable ones now as well so that isn't much of an excuse.

I've got a Logitech MX Master that I've never had any issues playing games with. That's coming from a G500, which was a really solid mouse as well. Polling and latency feels about the same between them, having ab tested them when I got the new one. And it's rechargeable, so no batteries. If there's a difference between this and the wired mouse I used to have, I haven't noticed.

[QUOTE=El Periodista;51732973]I've got a Logitech MX Master that I've never had any issues playing games with. That's coming from a G500, which was a really solid mouse as well. Polling and latency feels about the same between them, having ab tested them when I got the new one. And it's rechargeable, so no batteries. If there's a difference between this and the wired mouse I used to have, I haven't noticed.[/QUOTE] That would be because both of them are shit mice? The 9500 in the G500 is a shit sensor, but even that is better than whatever trash is in the MX Master. +- 10% SRAV is totally pretty solid. [editline]27th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Chryseus;51729548]Wireless mice yes, gaming mice no. I've used both extremely cheap mice and expensive gaming ones both wired and wireless and there is practically zero difference except in your head, latency isn't an issue with most responding faster than you can possibly move your hand, interference is also pretty much a thing of the past with most modern ones using efficient 2.4GHz transmitters and receivers now and battery life is in the months range from a single alkaline AA, same applies to keyboards, literally the only reason I can think of not to use wireless is security which for mice doesn't matter.[/QUOTE] If you can't feel the difference between a VCSEL illuminated sensor shitmouse and an actually good mouse such as a WMO then your hand might be damaged, because +- 10%+ SRAV is very noticeable. So is the hilarious angle snapping and smoothing present on most VCSEL sensors. There is also only a single wireless mouse which has a good sensor and doesn't drop reports or is locked at something under 1000Hz, which is the G403.

Yeah sorry no. * Wired mice don't run out of battery at inopportune time. * I won't lose the damn thing * Dongle is more prone to damage from felinus interruptus than a USB cable is * I won't lose the damned thing * I already have one that's working beautifully.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51729548]Wireless mice yes, gaming mice no. I've used both extremely cheap mice and expensive gaming ones both wired and wireless and there is practically zero difference except in your head, latency isn't an issue with most responding faster than you can possibly move your hand, interference is also pretty much a thing of the past with most modern ones using efficient 2.4GHz transmitters and receivers now and battery life is in the months range from a single alkaline AA, same applies to keyboards, literally the only reason I can think of not to use wireless is security which for mice doesn't matter.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=El Periodista;51732973]I've got a Logitech MX Master that I've never had any issues playing games with. That's coming from a G500, which was a really solid mouse as well. Polling and latency feels about the same between them, having ab tested them when I got the new one. And it's rechargeable, so no batteries. If there's a difference between this and the wired mouse I used to have, I haven't noticed.[/QUOTE] Your opinion on what is and is not good is already entirely invalid because you say that you cannot feel the difference between 8ms and 1ms, if you spent enough time using good mice you would instantly notice the difference between 125Hz and 1000Hz. The human brain is incredibly good at noticing minor amounts of delay, I noticed the high amounts of smoothing on the 3310 after switching from a 3305DK when I was just a shitty casual who knew nothing about hardware and was using a 60Hz monitor.

Wireless mouses are amazing

[QUOTE=TestECull;51735352]Yeah sorry no. * Wired mice don't run out of battery at inopportune time. * I won't lose the damn thing * Dongle is more prone to damage from felinus interruptus than a USB cable is * I won't lose the damned thing * I already have one that's working beautifully.[/QUOTE] Any decent mouse will alert you to low battery usually a few days before it fails so it's not like you don't have ample time to replace it. I'm not exactly sure how you lose a mouse unless it's one of those half size pieces of shit. Modern receivers are tiny and plug directly in to the usb port. [QUOTE=Reyjr43;51735361]Your opinion on what is and is not good is already entirely invalid because you say that you cannot feel the difference between 8ms and 1ms, if you spent enough time using good mice you would instantly notice the difference between 125Hz and 1000Hz. The human brain is incredibly good at noticing minor amounts of delay, I noticed the high amounts of smoothing on the 3310 after switching from a 3305DK when I was just a shitty casual who knew nothing about hardware and was using a 60Hz monitor.[/QUOTE] I agree you'll probably notice a tiny delay with a really cheap wireless mouse, but there are plenty of them that reduce it to practically unnoticable levels, at the end of the day it's pretty subjective, I game equally well with a cheap mouse as I do with a high end one, the only real advantage I've really come across with higher end mice is with slow precision movement, still you don't need to spend a lot to get something that works well.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51735520] I agree you'll probably notice a tiny delay with a really cheap wireless mouse, but there are plenty of them that reduce it to practically unnoticable levels, at the end of the day it's pretty subjective, I game equally well with a cheap mouse as I do with a high end one, the only real advantage I've really come across with higher end mice is with slow precision movement, still you don't need to spend a lot to get something that works well.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, for sure you can own with any mouse, the mouse doesn't make the player, it's the player who makes the player, not the gear, if I'm good at a game then as long as the mouse can track as quickly as I need it to move, I'd be able to own people. You don't need to spend a lot on something that works, but if you want to really step your game up and start going into the territory of low input delay, higher build quality, and etc then of course you'll need to pay more. Sorry for getting kind of pissy at you, but I've seen people try to state that input delay is pretty much unnoticeable between report rates and wired/wireless mice in the past, and I just don't like it when people try to pass off their subjective feeling as objective, you're right that the user is the one who defines whether or not they can feel the delay, everything when it comes to hardware is preference.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51735520]Any decent mouse will alert you to low battery usually a few days before it fails so it's not like you don't have ample time to replace it.[/quote] Oooooorrrr I could simply not have to deal with batteries at all? My keyboard is wireless and I fucking hate how it will run low in the middle of something. it's version of a low battery warning is to pop a green light on where you'd normally expect the numlock light to be...next keyboard I buy is gonna be an IBM model M. End of. I hate wireless peripherals. [quote] I'm not exactly sure how you lose a mouse unless it's one of those half size pieces of shit.[/quote] I've lost my wireless keyboard before. Things just like to go missing in my bedroom and if it isn't tethered to something my mouse will be MIA within a month. Even a full size mouse. A half-sized piece of shit...well, lemme put it this way, [i]there's already three of those MIA in here.[/i] My parents love those things for their laptops, if for any reason they end up in my room they generally become part of the room. FWIW I'll never buy myself a half sized mouse. I don't know why my parents love them so much. I can't hardly use the things, they're so small relative to my hands. [quote] Modern receivers are tiny and plug directly in to the usb port. [/quote] Still more prone to damage from felinus interruptus. Cords will generally just pop out harmlessly, dongles get tweaked in there, especially when a cat's claw snags it. My parents have lost a couple of mice to this over the years. I've never lost a mouse to this. [editline]27th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Chryseus;51732935]Having a desk free of wires is imo worth the tiny inconvenince of having to change a battery, I would have agreed with you in the past with them only lasting like 1 or 2 weeks but new mice last up to 6 months on a single battery, they do rechargeable ones now as well so that isn't much of an excuse.[/QUOTE] Having to change a battery every 6 months or so is still far more frequently than with a wired mouse [i]where you never have to change the damned thing[/i]. And of course it always dies when you don't have any spares in the house, leaving you with the option to either A: Raid the TV remotes in the vain hopes one seldom used has the same sized cell or B: Drive down to the fucking gas station to buy a battery........which will never have to happen with a wired mouse. The inconvenience of dead batteries is all I need to never buy a wireless mouse. I'm with Roca. Fuck wireless peripherals. I'd rather have a couple of wires leading to my keyboard and my mouse than have to deal with batteries. [url=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KjZnwNG2FmI/maxresdefault.jpg]I have one of these and I love it to death. Only paid $20, it reads on pretty much anything, wired, four buttons, on-the-fly DPI switching between four steps of 800, 1200, 1600, 3200DPI, and it's tough as nails.[/url]