Even if you hate the idea, Windows users should want Windows 10 S to succeed

[mezzokoko]

[QUOTE=geel9;52206561]It's a bit worse but you can still actually do everything you could do in 7 and it makes it a whole lot more secure for 90% of Windows users (the "idiots").[/QUOTE]

This doesn't in any way justify excluding a proper opt-out of forced updates for experienced users though.

[Geel]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;52206719]Windows 10 on it's own does not make anything more secure, other than the fact that it's being updated for a longer period of time, and receiving security updates. Windows 7, to my knowledge, is still receiving security updates, hence so far it should be just as secure.

Besides, if you really want to combat those issues, then there are more prominent issues to deal with. There's no IDS system integrated in most routers, and certainly not in Windows. Why not? This would eliminate a lot more threats, than already is the case. We do this on Linux servers already, so why not everywhere?[/QUOTE]

Forcing people to receive updates unless they have the technical expertise necessary to disable them allows for vastly higher security standards than not. People will go months or years without updating, leaving them vulnerable to exploits that have been fixed for a long time.

These people are not rare or the minority. Most people who use Windows barely understand it, nor do they understand the necessity of staying up to date.

[Levelog]

[QUOTE=geel9;52206236]What thing can you do in Windows 7 that you can't do in Windows 10[/QUOTE]

Force display output to VGA is the first one that comes to mind. W10 did remove a good amount of obscure poweruser features. Specifically Anniversary update got rid of the VGA one, which was really helpful for surface pro's and display adapter issues to VGA monitors.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=geel9;52206733]Forcing people to receive updates unless they have the technical expertise necessary to disable them allows for vastly higher security standards than not. People will go months or years without updating, leaving them vulnerable to exploits that have been fixed for a long time.

These people are not rare or the minority. Most people who use Windows barely understand it, nor do they understand the necessity of staying up to date.[/QUOTE]

Forcing people to do things this way is stupid and wrong. There are much better ways to deal with these problems, and Microsoft has never dealt with them at all.

I'm not saying that not getting updates is a good thing. I'm saying that currently Windows 7 is receiving security updates, so it should be fine to use for now.

Regardless of this, people will still not do things securely, because it requires them to do things. Unsecured wireless networks, outdated software on their PCs, or even old phones not getting updated anymore, are all threats not only to the device, but any device in the vicinity of the device itself. I don't hear many talk about herd security, but it's one of the most important aspects.