• BioWare: SW:TOR Will Still Be Going In 2025
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What's with all the developers lately bragging about how their game is going to be the best thing ever in existence or in Rage's case, better than an expensive steak. I seriously don't see how this game could last that long where in around the same time frame, games like Guild Wars 2 are coming out that not only look better but also cost loads less. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;31332013]Are you fucking serious? First you complain that people hating on the game don't play MMOs, and that apparently their opinions are worthless because of that, and NOW when someone that has played MMOs for nearly a decade comes in and says they think swtor looks like shit you basically come out and say "you have to be a professional critic to criticize a video game" It's painfully obvious your a fanboy it makes my brain bleed.[/QUOTE] Just because it's the same genre doesn't mean anything. "Hey guys I've been playing DOOM since it was released so I can tell Battlefield 3 is going to suck"
also maybe it's quite possibly just that they were y'know fucking joking
I saw the panel where BioWare said this. They said it as a joke!
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31333888]It's nothing like that, the only thing that doom shares with BF3 is that its played from a first person view, WoW and swtor use nearly the exact same gameplay and interface, go watch a gameplay video or 2, they're the same game with a different coat of paint. Just look at every MMO made between 2006 and now. Warhammer online, Rift, Aeon (spelling?), there are many others, they all just copied wow and added in some new interesting feature or idea, but because the rest of the game was terrible they died, or are dying.[/QUOTE] hey hey hey here's an idea maybe nobody is copying WoW and this is kind of just, y'know, fucking how MMO's are? Hey maybe WoW wasn't even the first MMO to do this kind of thing and it copied off of something else, and just got fucking lucky?
I saw the panel where BioWare said this. They said it as a joke!
Shitstorm.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31334196]There's nothing that says an mmo can't be an fps, or an RTS, saying all mmos are supposed to be rpgs is stupid. MMOs aren't like other genres, they don't [i]have[/i] to be an rpg, and they don't [i]have[/i] to have stereotypical mmorpg gameplay, they could have made it play like dragon age, or kotor, they blew 100 million dollars and five years on garbage. Also I'm just saying they copy wow because it's easier than writing they copied everquest/wow/every mmo before 2004.[/QUOTE] oh so you mean kind of like All Points Bulletin well, yeah you are right there BUT the thing is that the stereotypical mmo gameplay works and they're a business not to say they shouldn't innovate and do something original but logically it works besides, KotOR and Dragon Age play like MMOs in the first place
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31334405]APB failed because it was a buggy mess, it had the potential to be huge, than there was Planetside, an mmofps and it was successful enough to stay alive nearly ten years and get a sequel. Everyone's too afraid to try a different kind of mmo, and when they do they don't have enough time and money to make it amazing, so it flops, or stays alive a while and gets a loyal fanbase. Hopefully whatever new mmo Blizzard is making is an mmofps, and it becomes successful, I'm personally sick of mmorpgs.[/QUOTE] Exactly, I wasn't trying to say APB failed because it did something different. Although, I haven't heard of Planetside. And I do hope Blizzard makes an MMOFPS or something different, because they're the ones with more than enough money to assuredly at least get it out there with a lot of attention.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31333888] Just look at every MMO made between 2006 and now. Warhammer online, Rift, Aeon (spelling?), there are many others, they all just copied wow and added in some new interesting feature or idea, but because the rest of the game was terrible they died, or are dying.[/QUOTE] I disagree with that. Look at EVE online and Lord of the rings online. They're more than alive. Also what constitutes a copy? If what you're saying is true, then the closest copy I can think of is LOTRO and that's a game that is about to release an expansion pack. Why would a dying game do such a thing? I think what you need to realize is that just because an MMO isn't as "In-your-face" as WoW does not mean that it is failing. Lord of the Rings is a well established IP, so that is why it's enjoying moderate success. EVE, Warhammer, Aeon, Rift are niche IP's, therefore their success will vary. What makes a successful mmo is a strong intellectual property, responsible development cycle, and good gameplay. MMO's are just another genre of games, no different than FPS, RTS, etc. Most importantly, you should not trump their demises or apparent failings. Realtime Worlds employed hundreds of people before they shut down, putting all of their jobs and careers in jeapordy. When anyone wishes any project to fail, think about the people behind it. Developers are people too, so have a heart please.
There's always F2P with micro-transactions if all fails
I said this in the other thread, but I'm in the beta I can safely say that gameplay wise TOR is just WoW with a Star Wars skin. So don't get your hopes up for anything other than that. Also the space combat is all on rails, which is fucking pointless. The only good thing about it is the Mass Effect dialogue scenes and the voice acting. Other than that it's basically WoW. Same controls, same UI, same auto-attack boring gameplay. There's also less classes and they're all hybrids and the balancing right now is pretty piss poor.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;31342192]I said this in the other thread, but I'm in the beta I can safely say that gameplay wise TOR is just WoW with a Star Wars skin. So don't get your hopes up for anything other than that. Also the space combat is all on rails, which is fucking pointless. The only good thing about it is the Mass Effect dialogue scenes and the voice acting. Other than that it's basically WoW. Same controls, same UI, same auto-attack boring gameplay. There's also less classes and they're all hybrids and the balancing right now is pretty piss poor.[/QUOTE] Well if you don't like it, how about sending that account over to me? I'd pay.
Well, SW: Galaxies lasted a good while, so I will give it until 2015
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31342208]Well if you don't like it, how about sending that account over to me? I'd pay.[/QUOTE] It's not that I don't like it, I've been wanting an MMO to play for a while, it's just that it's the same old song and dance we see every MMO release and Bioware's hyping it up to be the coming of an MMO Jesus. So if you don't like WoW's gameplay, you won't like TOR. I definitely wouldn't pay a subscription for it.
Misread this as 'released in 2025' :v:
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31334196]There's nothing that says an mmo can't be an fps, or an RTS, saying all mmos are supposed to be rpgs is stupid. MMOs aren't like other genres, they don't [i]have[/i] to be an rpg, and they don't [i]have[/i] to have stereotypical mmorpg gameplay, they could have made it play like dragon age, or kotor, they blew 100 million dollars and five years on garbage. Also I'm just saying they copy wow because it's easier than writing they copied everquest/wow/every mmo before 2004.[/QUOTE] But this is an MMORPG, so I don't get your point. "Oh, the game would be so much better if it was a different genre, or if they tried to do something completely new", I just don't get what you're arguing. That it's a WoW clone? Well great, WoW is an MMORPG too, so you'd expect it to be similar. Of course it takes inspiration from the most successful games of its kind, if you try and make something completely new and crazy (Seriously, tell me how you could really redefine this genre, I have no idea how you could) then there's a much larger risk involved, and it seems stupid to look at the most popular games and say "We should make our game totally different to all of the popular games", because then who are you appealing to? That it's not innovative enough? This one really gets me, I don't see much room for innovation on something like this. I wouldn't like the game if it was turn based, that's my opinion, and I'm completely happy with the system that they have in place at the moment. I'm also slightly confused that you say that it could play like Dragon Age when the only real difference between the combat system in this and Dragon Age is that in DA you can auto-attack. Seriously, whatever your point is it's completely due to your personal choice, not an inherent problem with the game and yet you argue away that because the game doesn't match your taste or isn't 'innovative enough' it is therefore terrible, no-one should get it and it's going to be a complete failure, which doesn't make any sense seen as it's just your opinion and not even a particularly well developed one at that.
kotor was really super good yall
This is going to be the Only Star Wars MMO, and considering their Fan base I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't last at least a decade, if not, close.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;31370696]This is going to be the Only Star Wars MMO, and considering their Fan base I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't last at least a decade, if not, close.[/QUOTE] That's not good that the only reason to keep playing is because it has Star Wars in the title and considering how crap the gameplay has looked, I think it's a safe assumption.
[QUOTE=Source;31327222]At the very least i'll probably get a good year or so out of it, 40k MMOs out next year so and there's soo many games to play.[/QUOTE] The 40k MMO looks too cartoony. I wish they made it more "grimdark" like the rest of the series is.
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