Surprisingly, WWI is exactly where Battlefield belongs
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[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50991918]It's die hard Historians that probably expected Battlefield 1 to be more like Verdun.[/QUOTE]
If by "die-hard historians" you mean people on the internet who need something to complain about and be offended by, then you hit the nail on the head.
I dont like how you cant just pick the engineer as your class, and it seems like as a medic and support its a bit harder to see who needs your help too. Other than that it looks like a good alternative to BF4.
This feels like more of a classic Battlefield game than 3 or 4 to me
Hopefully the full game has some bolt action and anti-tank rifles, that's really two of the only things that annoys me.
I think this quote
[Quote]Yes, this is a fantastical, 'Greatest Hits' version of WWI—you only need to hop aboard the enormous, many-gunned war train in the beta’s Sinai Desert map to know that.[/quote]
is quite possibly the best way anyone could have put this. Maybe the campaign will provide more of what you armchair historians are wanting, but all in all it's a Battlefield game. It's not going to be hyper realistic. Frankly, it's foolish to expect it to be.
I certainly didn't expect it to be and i'm having a blast, the setting is fantastic and i don't feel like it's a reskin of BF4 at all. It has its flaws but i think a lot of you are forgetting that it's a beta. We're almost two months out from release, a lot is going to change. For now, just enjoy that WW1 is getting attention at all.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50992056]This feels like more of a classic Battlefield game than 3 or 4 to me[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what a friend of mine said to me today, that if feels closer to 1942 than 3 or 4.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50991991]If by "die-hard historians" you mean people on the internet who need something to complain about and be offended by, than you hit the nail on the head.[/QUOTE]
More or less pretty much that yeah, just people that love complaining.
[editline]2nd September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;50992074]I think this quote
is quite possibly the best way anyone could have put this. Maybe the campaign will provide more of what you armchair historians are wanting, but all in all it's a Battlefield game. It's not going to be hyper realistic. Frankly, it's foolish to expect it to be.
I certainly didn't expect it to be and i'm having a blast, the setting is fantastic and i don't feel like it's a reskin of BF4 at all. It has its flaws but i think a lot of you are forgetting that it's a beta. We're almost two months out from release, a lot is going to change. For now, just enjoy that WW1 is getting attention at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm very glad to see the first AAA WWI game in history. I'll be even more glad if it does well, because that means WWI is marketable, and that means more WWI games!
Battlefield 1 is without a doubt one of the few battlefields which has had be excited in a long time. Hardline became a letdown for me when they failed to bring in more gamemodes which could be relateable to the criminal storyline. I feel they could of done something with the Hotshot drugs by making it so you have to manufacture it, and then try to avoid police looking for you. Sorta like the one Payday 2 mission which has you making methamphetamine[sp](water)[/sp].
BF1 though... It feels right. The aircraft actually act like biplanes, and you really feel the speed and power of them when you are flying over the Battlefield vs vehicles that only go maybe 25mph to 30mph max. Ground combat with the current guns feels really gritty and down to Earth. Each gun has loud and unique noises, which gives me a really big BFBC2 vibe.
It's stuff like this which is making me hopeful that the next game will take us back to WW2, Vietnam, or maybe even Korea. Hell, I'd be down for a game in which takes place with the multiple conflicts through-out the 70's and 80's, and has you one match playing as the Soviet forces in Afghanistan, and the next has you invading Panama or even a match in which you are playing in Nicaragua during the 1970's. Hell, the idea of playing as two irregular factions, namely the Contra and FSLN, gives me an awesome idea of how it could play out.
One thing I'd sorta like to see, but I worry how it would pan out is the American Civil War or American-Indian Wars. They have some serious potential to be great Battlefield games, and if done correctly, would pay some serious homage to a really unspoken parts of history. The whole cavalry in Battlefield 1 has seriously got me looking at the latter half of the 19th century, and scratching my head saying, "Why, not?" its just such an untapped area/market. The whole idea of the American Civil War with it's wide variety of experimental weapons which were tested leaves everything out in the open.
Another thing which could possibly be done is a game based on the Mad Max universe. Think of the Thunderpoons!
[QUOTE=Naught;50990400]I think WW2 and beyond is a better place for an fps like battlefield. the lack of care about history from the devs compounded by things like overpowered tanks and barely any ways to fight against them isn't really where battlefield belongs.[/QUOTE]
I think a brand spanking new BF1942 done on this engine with these graphics and sound design would have been a much better game. A lot more content and shit to pull from that would be fun without having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of what there is to include right from the start. Just imagine Wake Island with these visuals. MP40's and Garands firing in the distance as a Corsair flies over and strafes the dense trees
It's kind of cool that it's an actual WW1 game, but WW1 makes for a boring first person shooter. You have to stretch so far to make it a fun game that it doesn't even resemble WW1 anymore
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50992587]I think a brand spanking new BF1942 done on this engine with these graphics and sound design would have been a much better game. A lot more content and shit to pull from that would be fun without having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of what there is to include right from the start[/QUOTE]
How is this the "bottom of the barrel" at all? It seems pretty standard.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50992596]How is this the "bottom of the barrel" at all? It seems pretty standard.[/QUOTE]
I mean right from the start, what there is to pull form historically to include in the game is VERY sparse. So right out of the gate you're at the bottom of the barrel. There's 2 versions of multiple weapons that are identical with the exception of stats for each class as well.
WW1 isn't exactly where BF1 is set, it's more of a modern historical fantasy setting, but I agree with the general sentiment.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50992601]I mean right from the start, what there is to pull form historically to include in the game is VERY sparse. So right out of the gate you're at the bottom of the barrel. There's 2 versions of multiple weapons that are identical with the exception of stats for each class as well.[/QUOTE]
What are you basing that on? Everything in the game existed at the time and was used in some form. There is a huge amount of content they could include in the game.
If you're referring to the pre-set choices of weapon loadouts rather than the usual customization, they've already explained why they've gone for that.
I'm disappointed with how much it feels like BF4. I expected it to be much more WW1 themed beyond the maps and aesthetic appearance of the players and weapons, like the actual gameplay changing to fit the fact that it's WW1 and not 20XX.
People might think that I'm asking too much for the gameplay to change to fit the era, and not vice versa, but I never once thought "wow this feels like a reskinned BF2" when playing BF2142., and that release just a year after its predecessor.
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;50993848]I'm disappointed with how much it feels like BF4. I expected it to be much more WW1 themed beyond the maps and aesthetic appearance of the players and weapons, like the actual gameplay changing to fit the fact that it's WW1 and not 20XX.
People might think that I'm asking too much for the gameplay to change to fit the era, and not vice versa, but I never once thought "wow this feels like a reskinned BF2" when playing BF2142., and that release just a year after its predecessor.[/QUOTE]
That's because 2142 wasn't just a reskin of BF2, there were a lot of changes like the removal of most classes. Battlefield games haven't really changed since then.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50990502]In my time playing, it feels like everyones sniping[/QUOTE]
I think the main culprit for this is the map they chose for the beta.
Shits so wide open its no wonder everyone is sniping.
[QUOTE=MisterSjeiks;50992045]I dont like how you cant just pick the engineer as your class, and it seems like as a medic and support its a bit harder to see who needs your help too. Other than that it looks like a good alternative to BF4.[/QUOTE]
Medic will get a repair tool in the final release, I have no idea why it wasn't put in the alpha or beta.
[QUOTE=9millmeeter;50991241]no recoil, high ttk, no headshot damage multiplier, boosts given to loosing teams, fraction of the content of past games, etc etc
world war i was always treated with some respect and decency before. dice has neither and will draw players who have equally little respect for the setting[/QUOTE]
Battlefront had no recoil, while Battlefield 1 has weapons with high spread, which is not existant in Battlefront. Both BF1 and Battlefront have headshot damage, Battlefront doesn't give a boost to the losing team and we don't know yet how many maps the full game will have.
So you are literally completely wrong
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;50993848]I'm disappointed with how much it feels like BF4. I expected it to be much more WW1 themed beyond the maps and aesthetic appearance of the players and weapons, like the actual gameplay changing to fit the fact that it's WW1 and not 20XX.
People might think that I'm asking too much for the gameplay to change to fit the era, and not vice versa, but I never once thought "wow this feels like a reskinned BF2" when playing BF2142., and that release just a year after its predecessor.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you get the impression that it is a reskinned Battlefield 4, from the aerial combat, the changed gun handling, lack of lock-on weapons, high bullet drop on heavy projectiles, it feels very different. Maps are a lot more open and have virtually no real chokepoints.
I don't quite get the whole "everyone is running around with guns they shouldn't have!" There's plenty of people using semi-autos, bolt actions wouldn't be fun for everyone to have. And it's not like the ww2 games had accurate gun representation either, you think everyone got an MP40? Hell no.
lol what an article.
Complains about the guns shooting like shit, and as an example it shows a video of him trying to take down a [I]heavy[/I] with the default assault weapon and he only lands a third of his shots if that.
[editline]3rd September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;50993848]I'm disappointed with how much it feels like BF4. I expected it to be much more WW1 themed beyond the maps and aesthetic appearance of the players and weapons, like the actual gameplay changing to fit the fact that it's WW1 and not 20XX.
People might think that I'm asking too much for the gameplay to change to fit the era, and not vice versa, but I never once thought "wow this feels like a reskinned BF2" when playing BF2142., and that release just a year after its predecessor.[/QUOTE]
Well ofc battlefield is still going to play like battlefield. Do you know how many people would be pissed off it it wasn't? If you want a true WW1 game, check out Verdun.
I hate to say it, but what from what I've seen, it's hardly a WW1 game. Fundamentally, at it's core, it's the same as their modern titles. Brisk pace, fast firing weapons, medium teams, and very similar level layout.
Actual World War 1 would be the exact opposite of that. Clearly defined sides, trench warfare, and highly organized units, primitive vehicles.
Seems like they wanted to appease the "there's no games about World War 1" crowd while maintaining their core gameplay. As a result, it's really not World War 1 at all, more like BF4 with a steampunk skin on it.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50995419]I hate to say it, but what from what I've seen, it's hardly a WW1 game. Fundamentally, at it's core, it's the same as their modern titles. Brisk pace, fast firing weapons, medium teams, and very similar level layout.
Actual World War 1 would be the exact opposite of that. Clearly defined sides, trench warfare, and highly organized units, primitive vehicles.
Seems like they wanted to appease the "there's no games about World War 1" crowd while maintaining their core gameplay. As a result, it's really not World War 1 at all, more like BF4 with a steampunk skin on it.[/QUOTE]
[B]this is all you should have ever expected.[/B]
why you expected anything else, I will never understand.
I honestly can't believe people thought DICE was going to make a game where everyone uses bolt actions and one person on your 32 man team gets an SMG and every map was just going to be two sets of trenches facing each other.
How to spot someone who doesn't know how wars (not just wwi) are actually fought in one post.
WW1 was so much more than trench warfare.
[QUOTE]Clearly defined sides, trench warfare, and highly organized units, primitive vehicles[/QUOTE]
Like this is just inaccurate.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50995419]Clearly defined sides, trench warfare, and highly organized units, primitive vehicles.[/QUOTE]
There's a game very similar to this called Watching Paint Dry. It didn't get a very good score on Metacritic.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50994375]Medic will get a repair tool in the final release, I have no idea why it wasn't put in the alpha or beta.[/QUOTE]
Thank fuck. Now I can play my two favourite classes at the same time. They just need to let me carry an ammo bag too and I'll be a one man supply line.
[editline]4th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50995419]I hate to say it, but what from what I've seen, it's hardly a WW1 game. Fundamentally, at it's core, it's the same as their modern titles. Brisk pace, fast firing weapons, medium teams, and very similar level layout.
Actual World War 1 would be the exact opposite of that. Clearly defined sides, trench warfare, and highly organized units, primitive vehicles.
Seems like they wanted to appease the "there's no games about World War 1" crowd while maintaining their core gameplay. As a result, it's really not World War 1 at all, more like BF4 with a steampunk skin on it.[/QUOTE]
Please note: Trench warfare was only a major thing during the early years of the war and on the Western Front. On other fronts mobility was king (which is why the use of horses is so notable), as well as during the later parts of the war on the Western Front.
World War 1 is largely considered to be the first modern war. The tactics and weaponry used today were first conceived during the war, as such the style of warfare was constantly evolving and changing. To put it into perspective, when WWI began the were using planes such as the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_F.B.5]Vickers FB5[/url] (British in theis case) and by the end they were using planes like the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens-Schuckert_D.IV]Siemens Schuckert D. IV[/url] (Germans in this case). Planes at the start of WW1 would shoot their own propellers off until the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_E.I]Fokker E.I[/url] came along with a synchronisation gear.
Frankly I see people downing the game and can't really imagine why. Yes the balance is a bit off in places in regards to the vehicles, and it is a beta, but I find the game as a whole to be fun. It just needs polish. And I am most excited for the Single Player campaign as the aesthetics and attitude the game has towards the time period it's set is frankly amazing and I can't wait to see what they do with that in a single player experience.
The french being DLC is still questionable but I will understand and forgive that if the DLC that introduces them is showstopping enough to warrant this and not a cash grab.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50995727]WW1 was so much more than trench warfare.
Like this is just inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
So you mean to tell me this is an accurate depiction of the war?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50997636]So you mean to tell me this is an accurate depiction of the war?[/QUOTE]
You're a fool for expecting anything truly accurate from one of the two main AAA shooters. Like i can't even fathom how people can't get this through their heads. IT'S BATTLEFIELD. You want something more accurate, go play Verdun.
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