EVE Online aiming to become less newbie-terrifying
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[QUOTE=markg06;34754838]One of the things I'd like is a decent movement and combat system rather than everything being point and click.[/QUOTE]
I used to think this game was, 'Starship simulator 101: Corporations edition'.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34766740]After signing on, and then losing the mining barge I worked for months to get, I signed off for the last time. I played the damn thing for years and I [I]still[/I] don't know how to play.[/QUOTE]
Get drones :v:?
[QUOTE=yuki;34761782]Is it really true that the character creator is extremely expansive, but you never render more than one person in the game at any given time?[/QUOTE]
Straight copy paste from the EVE thread
[quote]
I take it that you can run CQs?
I know that I can't and most of my friends can't, at least not in any decent way.
The only problem CCP have right now is that most household computers can't handle one character moving around in station, let alone 20, as you'd get in even the smaller empire systems.[/quote]
I like the concept of the game, and it sounds damn fun later in the game, but every time I make a character and start playing a few things turn me off to the game gradually.
1. I hate the entire premise of how the game works on the social level, backstabbing and mistrust is a requirement of the game, you have to have the mindset of a bank robber or a corrupt cop to be successful in the game.
2. The combat is EXCRUCIATINGLY boring, I'm not exactly a simpleton but I play games for fun, and I often define EVE's combat to be as exciting as writing a paper on a subject you don't really care for.
3. When I play I am always told to join up in a corp, or some other social group, and stick with them, problem is when I do this I can't help but feeling used and forgotten (which is apparently common, they even got a term coined for it, carebear or something.)
4. Nearly every friend I know either shares my opinion outright or hasn't even heard of EVE at all, and I usually never get into an MMO without a friend.
5. Im always promised that there's great end-game content, yet I never seem closer to it, nor do I ever seem to reach it.
6. Finally it all comes down to the money, this honestly underwhelming experience isn't worth 15$ a month.
get a flight/combat system like the one in Freelancer, then I will join.
[QUOTE=ntzu;34768110]I like the concept of the game, and it sounds damn fun later in the game, but every time I make a character and start playing a few things turn me off to the game gradually.
1. I hate the entire premise of how the game works on the social level, backstabbing and mistrust is a requirement of the game, you have to have the mindset of a bank robber or a corrupt cop to be successful in the game.
2. The combat is EXCRUCIATINGLY boring, I'm not exactly a simpleton but I play games for fun, and I often define EVE's combat to be as exciting as writing a paper on a subject you don't really care for.
3. When I play I am always told to join up in a corp, or some other social group, and stick with them, problem is when I do this I can't help but feeling used and forgotten (which is apparently common, they even got a term coined for it, carebear or something.)
4. Nearly every friend I know either shares my opinion outright or hasn't even heard of EVE at all, and I usually never get into an MMO without a friend.
5. Im always promised that there's great end-game content, yet I never seem closer to it, nor do I ever seem to reach it.
6. Finally it all comes down to the money, this honestly underwhelming experience isn't worth 15$ a month.[/QUOTE]
#1 is the best part, and you definitely don't have to be a backstabber, I just love the openness and how you're free to scam people, etc. I'd never do it, but it's awesome that you're free to do it. Eve + Freelancer would be the best game in the world.
[editline]19th February 2012[/editline]
seriously ur gonna ninja me about freelancer
time to play the trial again
[QUOTE=ntzu;34768110]I like the concept of the game, and it sounds damn fun later in the game, but every time I make a character and start playing a few things turn me off to the game gradually.
1. I hate the entire premise of how the game works on the social level, backstabbing and mistrust is a requirement of the game, you have to have the mindset of a bank robber or a corrupt cop to be successful in the game.
2. The combat is EXCRUCIATINGLY boring, I'm not exactly a simpleton but I play games for fun, and I often define EVE's combat to be as exciting as writing a paper on a subject you don't really care for.
3. When I play I am always told to join up in a corp, or some other social group, and stick with them, problem is when I do this I can't help but feeling used and forgotten (which is apparently common, they even got a term coined for it, carebear or something.)
4. Nearly every friend I know either shares my opinion outright or hasn't even heard of EVE at all, and I usually never get into an MMO without a friend.
5. Im always promised that there's great end-game content, yet I never seem closer to it, nor do I ever seem to reach it.
6. Finally it all comes down to the money, this honestly underwhelming experience isn't worth 15$ a month.[/QUOTE]
carebears are just people who don't do high risk combat and shit
[QUOTE=goon165;34767638]Get drones :v:?[/QUOTE]
And decent shields.
Just hope the ship has enough power to keep them on for enough time to either
1: get away.
OR
2: tear them a new one with your drones.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34766740]After signing on, and then losing the mining barge I worked for months to get, I signed off for the last time. I played the damn thing for years and I [I]still[/I] don't know how to play.[/QUOTE]
Don't go into LowSec and nothing can touch you?
[QUOTE=Smooth Jazz;34746671]Does dwarf fortress even have a tutorial or do you have to read the key bindings to know what to do?[/QUOTE]
It has a help guide that hardly teaches a thing and you will not know how to get to or use unless you know how to play the game.
[QUOTE]EVE Online aiming to become less newbie-terrifying[/QUOTE]Ha ha, no.
I remember trying EVE a while ago, after some friends told me "it's much better now, dude, it has a tutorial". So I started with the tutorial, just like I do with all the games I play. I was in a ship, in some kind of a noob safe area, and a female voice guided me through the ridiculously complicated interface, but I was like, OK, let's do this shit. Minutes after, the voice was explaining me some basic combat stuff, but then I made the mistake of not paying attention for a few seconds. Apparently, that was enough to make me miss essential information, such as how to shoot at enemies - a very non-obvious task given the hellish interface from Hell. There was no way to review what the automated guide just told me, like, you know, some text log or replay button.
Then an automated drone appeared out of nowhere and started shooting at me. I tried to run, but I was confined to the tutorial area. After 10 minutes of frustration, trying to decipher the combat interface, I decided that I had no fucking clue how to shoot back, so I said fuck it, I'll let the drone kill me and maybe then the tutorial will restart. What I didn't know was that my ship's armor had, like, thousands of units, while the damage the drone did to my ship was almost nonexistent. The event was scripted assuming I would destroy the drone, not the other way around. A fast computation revealed that waiting for the drone to kill me would have taken hours given its extremely low firepower. I was stuck, with no way of getting out. All this while the robotic voice was like: "SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK." Absolutely infuriating.
I'm not an unreasonable gamer, but games that fuck me in the ass this hard are not worth my time. I was so mad about this EVE episode that I swore to never, ever, touch a CCP game again. Such developers simply don't deserve my respect.
[QUOTE=zugu;34770752]Ha ha, no.
I remember trying EVE a while ago, after some friends told me "it's much better now, dude, it has a tutorial". So I started with the tutorial, just like I do with all the games I play. I was in a ship, in some kind of a noob safe area, and a female voice guided me through the ridiculously complicated interface, but I was like, OK, let's do this shit. Minutes after, the voice was explaining me some basic combat stuff, but then I made the mistake of not paying attention for a few seconds. Apparently, that was enough to make me miss essential information, such as how to shoot at enemies - a very non-obvious task given the hellish interface from Hell. There was no way to review what the automated guide just told me, like, you know, some text log or replay button.
Then an automated drone appeared out of nowhere and started shooting at me. I tried to run, but I was confined to the tutorial area. After 10 minutes of frustration, trying to decipher the combat interface, I decided that I had no fucking clue how to shoot back, so I said fuck it, I'll let the drone kill me and maybe then the tutorial will restart. What I didn't know was that my ship's armor had, like, thousands of units, while the damage the drone did to my ship was almost nonexistent. The event was scripted assuming I would destroy the drone, not the other way around. A fast computation revealed that waiting for the drone to kill me would have taken hours given its extremely low firepower. I was stuck, with no way of getting out. All this while the robotic voice was like: "SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK." Absolutely infuriating.
I'm not an unreasonable gamer, but games that fuck me in the ass this hard are not worth my time. I was so mad about this EVE episode that I swore to never, ever, touch a CCP game again. Such developers simply don't deserve my respect.[/QUOTE]
Bet you're the same kind of person who thinks Dwarf Fortress is just a mess of letters and numbers.
[QUOTE=zugu;34770752]Ha ha, no.
I remember trying EVE a while ago, after some friends told me "it's much better now, dude, it has a tutorial". So I started with the tutorial, just like I do with all the games I play. I was in a ship, in some kind of a noob safe area, and a female voice guided me through the ridiculously complicated interface, but I was like, OK, let's do this shit. Minutes after, the voice was explaining me some basic combat stuff, but then I made the mistake of not paying attention for a few seconds. Apparently, that was enough to make me miss essential information, such as how to shoot at enemies - a very non-obvious task given the hellish interface from Hell. There was no way to review what the automated guide just told me, like, you know, some text log or replay button.
Then an automated drone appeared out of nowhere and started shooting at me. I tried to run, but I was confined to the tutorial area. After 10 minutes of frustration, trying to decipher the combat interface, I decided that I had no fucking clue how to shoot back, so I said fuck it, I'll let the drone kill me and maybe then the tutorial will restart. What I didn't know was that my ship's armor had, like, thousands of units, while the damage the drone did to my ship was almost nonexistent. The event was scripted assuming I would destroy the drone, not the other way around. A fast computation revealed that waiting for the drone to kill me would have taken hours given its extremely low firepower. I was stuck, with no way of getting out. All this while the robotic voice was like: "SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK. SHOOT BACK." Absolutely infuriating.
I'm not an unreasonable gamer, but games that fuck me in the ass this hard are not worth my time. I was so mad about this EVE episode that I swore to never, ever, touch a CCP game again. Such developers simply don't deserve my respect.[/QUOTE]
im not sure whether i should think youre dumb or hope you played some super early version of the tutorial
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;34770470]Don't go into LowSec and nothing can touch you?[/QUOTE]
Incorrect. You can and will get ganked in hisec to.
[editline]19th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34766740]After signing on, and then losing the mining barge I worked for months to get, I signed off for the last time. I played the damn thing for years and I [I]still[/I] don't know how to play.[/QUOTE]
Hulkageddon is currently running. It doesn't matter how good you are, flying an industrial of any type is begging to get ganked regardless of where you are.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34770903]Incorrect. You can and will get ganked in hisec to.[/QUOTE]
Only if you're (un)lucky enough to meet some moron who doesn't mind getting his shit Concorded, and if he can kill you before Concord gets his ass then you can at least know that he lost as much as you did.
There's no way someone can gank you in HighSec and not lose their ships as well, unless you're dumb enough to get can baited.
I was a HighSec miner/manufacturer for several years on and off. I never got suicide ganked and I only got can baited [I]twice[/I] and both times I just flew away to another system to mine, without taking the bait.
EDIT: Except that one time when I came back with a fully pimped Drake and tore him a new one.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;34771108]Only if you're (un)lucky enough to meet some moron who doesn't mind getting his shit Concorded, and if he can kill you before Concord gets his ass then you can at least know that he lost as much as you did.
There's no way someone can gank you in HighSec and not lose their ships as well, unless you're dumb enough to get can baited.
I was a HighSec miner/manufacturer for several years on and off. I never got suicide ganked and I only got can baited [I]twice[/I] and both times I just flew away to another system to mine, without taking the bait.
EDIT: Except that one time when I came back with a fully pimped Drake and tore him a new one.[/QUOTE]
Except you can take out a 30mil mining ship with about 3 million of destroyer - just load that asshole with 8 T2 blasters and load them with antimatter.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;34771108]Only if you're (un)lucky enough to meet some moron who doesn't mind getting his shit Concorded, and if he can kill you before Concord gets his ass then you can at least know that he lost as much as you did.
There's no way someone can gank you in HighSec and not lose their ships as well, unless you're dumb enough to get can baited.[/quote]
So I suppose Hulkageddon doesn't exist, right? Because right now they're ganking indys left, right and center, with Hulks the prime target, for shits, giggles, and giveaways. And then there's outfits like Goonswarm which do not give two shits about Concord and will suicide gank anyone they're ordered to. One of the miners in my corp fell to this, he was munching some ice for our POS and Goonswarm decided he was on their turf. So they ganked him in 0.9. You can also make a profit suicide ganking people in hisec if you're willing to dualbox it. One alt flies a T2 fitted destro, the other flies a salvager. Alt A suicide ganks a passing hauler, Alt B salvages the wreck and all the loot. Alt B then processes the salvage and transfers the dosh to Alt A, who then buys a new ship.
It's also possible to beat concord. One of my corpies did that, too, got bored of nobody taking the can bait, ganked someone, then warped between safespots until the cooldown expired. Against the rules? Yeah. Did he care? Nope.
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Hulkageddon is a thing, but you can easily find out when it's going to happen and cease mining activity when it's over.
If Goons are targeting you specifically then you did something to piss them off, stop being a dumb fuck.
If you're so fucking afraid for your safety get someone to watch your back.
Warp Scramblers drain the shit away from Destroyers energy which means that he'll most likely have shit shields/armour, load up some nice T2 drones.
EVE doesn't provide you a safe playground like other MMOs, it's a world simulation where people can be dicks. You can be assaulted and beaten if you go outside as well but you don't lock yourself in your basement because of that, do you? You fucking take precautions.
If something bad happens to you in EVE, [I]most[/I] of the time it's because you either had it coming or you didn't take the precautions. Situations where you get ducked over for no reason and you couldn't have done anything are [B]very[/B] rare but if you're unlucky enough to have it happen to you, deal with it.
Oh look at Mr Hardass over here.
I suppose you haven't been playing long. I've seen plenty of absolutely random suicide ganking going on around Jita, and I've only been in a couple months. Hell, I've been shot at by entirely random gate gankers who thought a frigate with T1 guns could pop a Hurricane before Concorde got there, and every time I pass through in any of my cargo ships I get scanned by gankers looking for cargo worth more than their ship. I've even seen them shooting at the gate for no reason before, guess they really didn't like their ship or something. The guy in my corp that got goon'd? He didn't do anything to piss them off. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They haven't bothered him, or the rest of us, since. They were just bored and saw an ice miner semi-AFK in an ice belt they claimed was theirs despite being hisec and therefore not theirs.
EvE doesn't provide you a safe playground. You have that much right. But you're pretty damn naive if you think a few simple precautions are going to keep you gank free in New Eden. It simply doesn't work that way.
To date I haven't lost anything to a gank, but I keep all my ships insured just for good measure. I don't stay docked up like a carebear, after all.
Okay let's all calm the fuck down.
I never understood why people say MMOs are too expensive. Most of them are $15 a month which equals about 50 cents per day. I don't see how that's expensive at all.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34773794]Oh look at Mr Hardass over here.
I suppose you haven't been playing long. I've seen plenty of absolutely random suicide ganking going on around Jita, and I've only been in a couple months. Hell, I've been shot at by entirely random gate gankers who thought a frigate with T1 guns could pop a Hurricane before Concorde got there, and every time I pass through in any of my cargo ships I get scanned by gankers looking for cargo worth more than their ship. I've even seen them shooting at the gate for no reason before, guess they really didn't like their ship or something. The guy in my corp that got goon'd? He didn't do anything to piss them off. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They haven't bothered him, or the rest of us, since. They were just bored and saw an ice miner semi-AFK in an ice belt they claimed was theirs despite being hisec and therefore not theirs.
EvE doesn't provide you a safe playground. You have that much right. But you're pretty damn naive if you think a few simple precautions are going to keep you gank free in New Eden. It simply doesn't work that way.
To date I haven't lost anything to a gank, but I keep all my ships insured just for good measure. I don't stay docked up like a carebear, after all.[/QUOTE]
Still part of the game.
So unless CCP takes special measures against them: then suck it up and deal with it.
[editline]19th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BackflipHatchetAttack;34774059]I never understood why people say MMOs are too expensive. Most of them are $15 a month which equals about 50 cents per day. I don't see how that's expensive at all.[/QUOTE]
If you only have 3 hours a week to play then it is.
[QUOTE=BackflipHatchetAttack;34774059]I never understood why people say MMOs are too expensive. Most of them are $15 a month which equals about 50 cents per day. I don't see how that's expensive at all.[/QUOTE]
It's no expensive per-se but "pay per month" is not a very good model for people who don't play regularly.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;34773568][img_thumb]http://www.download-smiley.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sad-face-smiley.png[/img_thumb]
Hulkageddon is a thing, but you can easily find out when it's going to happen and cease mining activity when it's over.
If Goons are targeting you specifically then you did something to piss them off, stop being a dumb fuck.
If you're so fucking afraid for your safety get someone to watch your back.
Warp Scramblers drain the shit away from Destroyers energy which means that he'll most likely have shit shields/armour, load up some nice T2 drones.
EVE doesn't provide you a safe playground like other MMOs, it's a world simulation where people can be dicks. You can be assaulted and beaten if you go outside as well but you don't lock yourself in your basement because of that, do you? You fucking take precautions.
If something bad happens to you in EVE, [I]most[/I] of the time it's because you either had it coming or you didn't take the precautions. Situations where you get ducked over for no reason and you couldn't have done anything are [B]very[/B] rare but if you're unlucky enough to have it happen to you, deal with it.[/QUOTE]
That doesnt change the fact that you said "Don't go into LowSec and nothing can touch you?". In fact, you just proved your own point wrong really.
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