• SimCity launch hobbled by server strain; EA offering refunds
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[QUOTE=ionuttzu;39814157]I feel bad for Maxis. The game looks really good, but again EA and their shitty business practices are fucking the devs over.[/QUOTE] And that's why my stance is as it is; I want EA removed so that developers don't have the tempting option to sell their souls and IP for money, thus potentially ruining the IP they've poured their blood, sweat and tears into, as well as so that no other studio has to suffer under the boot of what are essentially the Tyranids of the gaming industry. It's the best option for the future of the industry and the wellbeing of the consumer, and the only way it can happen is if consumers start acting like civilised intelligent people and embrace the responsibilities that come with having the power to decide what goes and what doesn't; I am trying to harness that political power by helping people understand the power they wield and use it for the benefit of the consumer by striking down a thoroughly anti-consumer publisher, setting an example of what shit flies and what should get shot down, as well as coordinating a display of power that sends a message to investors telling them that they must be responsible and respect the people they serve. That is why I'm doing this; for the greater good of the entire gaming industry.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;39814157]I feel bad for Maxis. The game looks really good, but again EA and their shitty business practices are fucking the devs over.[/QUOTE] they made a mistake and underestimated the load that would be put on their servers, and now they are offering refunds that's totally fucking reasonable??? what do you want them to do?
[QUOTE=thisispain;39814314]they made a mistake and underestimated the load that would be put on their servers, and now they are offering refunds that's totally fucking reasonable??? what do you want them to do?[/QUOTE] They shouldn't have had DRM in the first place. That fucked Diablo 3 over, it will be the same here.
[QUOTE=ironman17;39814310] It's the best option for the future of the industry and the wellbeing of the consumer, and the only way it can happen is if consumers start acting like civilised intelligent people and embrace the responsibilities that come with having the power to decide what goes and what doesn't[/QUOTE] so consumers are not intelligent or civlised just because they buy a game from a company you dont like
Ironman17 holy shit why are your posts so damn long
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;39814330]They shouldn't have had DRM in the first place. That fucked Diablo 3 over, it will be the same here.[/QUOTE] its not just "DRM", they put it in the game for a reason SimCity as far as i understand (idk maybe because i actually like the game i took the time to look into shit) is more like an MMO in that every city is part of a wider network of cities that exists on the internet. this is fucking awesome because SimCity 4 didnt have anything like that, and now you can compete with other cities so it's part of a global network of cities, like the fucking earth or something! they cant do this unless they control the gameplay environment, and part of that is cracking down on how much the end user gets to control the game. it's just like World of Warcraft, there's no single player in that game as a result of how the system is developed do you even care about either of these games or are you just being pissed off about DRM because it makes you feel good about yourself srs question [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Wootman;39814350]Ironman17 holy shit why are your posts so damn long[/QUOTE] people mistake pose for prose
I guess you didn't catch this the first time, so I'll say it again; this isn't just about a game, it's about the entire industry and doing what is right for all of us. It's probably too big for you to understand, focused and marginalized as you are by simply replying "its a game"; learn to see the bigger picture and understand the repercussions of uncoordinated bad decisions. [QUOTE=thisispain;39814333]so consumers are not intelligent or civlised just because they buy a game from a company you dont like[/QUOTE] It's not a matter of a company that I don't like; it's a matter of a company that is a threat to consumers everywhere, a company that screws over it's customers. If you can't discuss this properly you shouldn't be arguing with someone who knows more about the gaming industry that you; talk to someone more suited to your level, you'll be less stressed that way. Unless you can present a valid and reasonable argument, you mean nothing to me. I'm done with you for tonight; I have more important things to do with someone who doesn't understand the gravity of the situation in our industry.
[QUOTE=ironman17;39814385]I guess you didn't catch this the first time, so I'll say it again; this isn't just about a game, it's about the entire industry and doing what is right for all of us. It's probably too big for you to understand, focused and marginalized as you are by simply replying "its a game"; learn to see the bigger picture and understand the repercussions of uncoordinated bad decisions. It's not a matter of a company that I don't like; it's a matter of a company that is a threat to consumers everywhere, a company that screws over it's customers. If you can't discuss this properly you shouldn't be arguing with someone who knows more about the gaming industry that you; talk to someone more suited to your level, you'll be less stressed that way. Unless you can present a valid and reasonable argument, you mean nothing to me. I'm done with you for tonight; I have more important things to do with someone who doesn't understand the gravity of the situation in our industry.[/QUOTE] jeez relax, we're just talking about games [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] i dont want to take away time for all the "important things" you want to do but [quote]they made a mistake and underestimated the load that would be put on their servers, and now they are offering refunds that's totally fucking reasonable??? what do you want them to do?[/quote] hows that screwing over its customers when its incredibly reasonable? if im really that much below your intelligence or whatever, it should be an easy question to answer for you
I've just talked to EA support and apparently they're not issuing refunds.
[QUOTE=danielmm8888;39814600]I've just talked to EA support and apparently they're not issuing refunds.[/QUOTE] fuck EA
[QUOTE=ironman17;39814310]That is why I'm doing this; for the greater good of the entire gaming industry.[/QUOTE] What gives you the right to tell what's for the good of the industry? Do you even work in it?
I'm excited for this game personally, especially because of the online modes. Obviously they should have an offline mode, but I'm not bothered that there's not. [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] I'm gonna be waiting till I can get it for like $20 though. Origin do a lot of sales actually, to try and get people on their awful platform.
[QUOTE=danielmm8888;39814600]I've just talked to EA support and apparently they're not issuing refunds.[/QUOTE]Did they give a reason?
[QUOTE=Kilr;39810843]To expand upon this... it uses a system similar to Diablo 3 where certain parts of the game logic are handled by EA's servers.[/QUOTE] Actually none of the logic is handled by EA's servers, it's almost purely used for saving cities and networking cities together. [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/GceHQTL.png[/thumb]
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[QUOTE=Funny Hats;39814984]Actually none of the logic is handled by EA's servers, it's almost purely used for saving cities and networking cities together. [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/GceHQTL.png[/thumb][/QUOTE]So they lied to us in a sense? (Wouldn't be surprised if they had)
[QUOTE=Funny Hats;39814984]Actually none of the logic is handled by EA's servers, it's almost purely used for saving cities and networking cities together. [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/GceHQTL.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] The only reason people say the simulation is run on the servers is because EA said that as an excuse as to why always on DRM was needed. Then you have hyperbole like you need a supercomputer or something to run the simulation (Think about it, they'll be running multiple users on the same service instance, and most likely multiple server instances on a single physical machine via VMs) The simulation engine they've designed doesn't run in real time (If it ran in real time, things like hooking power up would be near instantaneous, instead power flows along roads taking time to get to buildings), that's one of the cool things about it (It's modelled after a computer network, so you can have thousands of packets/agents simulated on a single system without the entire system falling apart)
[QUOTE=ironman17;39814385]I guess you didn't catch this the first time, so I'll say it again; this isn't just about a game, it's about the entire industry and doing what is right for all of us. It's probably too big for you to understand, focused and marginalized as you are by simply replying "its a game"; learn to see the bigger picture and understand the repercussions of uncoordinated bad decisions. It's not a matter of a company that I don't like; it's a matter of a company that is a threat to consumers everywhere, a company that screws over it's customers. If you can't discuss this properly you shouldn't be arguing with someone who knows more about the gaming industry that you; talk to someone more suited to your level, you'll be less stressed that way. Unless you can present a valid and reasonable argument, you mean nothing to me. I'm done with you for tonight; I have more important things to do with someone who doesn't understand the gravity of the situation in our industry.[/QUOTE] they made it clear that you needed an internet connection to play beforehand and when their system failed on launch instead of sitting there and saying "itll be up later", they even offered refunds they didnt screw anyone over, if you bought the game thinking you could play it without internet, that's your fault for not researching what you're about to buy and if you were disappointed that their servers couldn't handle the stress, you can get all of your money back and pretend nothing happened
[QUOTE=Funny Hats;39814984][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/GceHQTL.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] That Anonymous user was never heard from again as EA, partnered with the ISP, tracked him and his IP down for extermination; sad is the conflict of NDA's.
jesus christ you're being melodramatic about a disappointing product there are tons of products made every day that are sorta shit, and that's why you should read reviews and test things out before you fully commit to them
there is nothing shit about simcity, its great. Its better than SC4 in my opinion. The only things that are not good are the city sizes and the need for modding tools or custom regions. Always online crap doesn't bug me at all, because my internet is 100% stable and I almost never have downtime.
[QUOTE=Epiclulz762;39815155]That Anonymous user was never heard from again as EA, partnered with the ISP, tracked him and his IP down for extermination; sad is the conflict of NDA's.[/QUOTE] how did you come up with this elaborate story if he was never heard from again? oh right you made it up.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39815224]how did you come up with this elaborate story if he was never heard from again? oh right you made it up.[/QUOTE] I'd assume so as its a joke.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39815224]how did you come up with this elaborate story if he was never heard from again? oh right you made it up.[/QUOTE]Your title suits you so well
[QUOTE=Funny Hats;39814984]Actually none of the logic is handled by EA's servers, it's almost purely used for saving cities and networking cities together. [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/GceHQTL.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] Well global market prices are made by server calculations...
[QUOTE=Atlascore;39811023]No, it won't, we don't have access to ANY of the server software, the game is practically impossible to pirate because all of the city simulations are done on the server, not only will pirates have to recreate the server software they'll have to host heavy duty servers.[/QUOTE] Yeah, just how everything on WoW is ran by Blizzard, so no private servers. Oh wait... If someone really cares enough they will make it so you can play offline.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39815224]how did you come up with this elaborate story if he was never heard from again? oh right you made it up.[/QUOTE] I am EA.
Guys they sort of fixed it. They doubled the amount of servers, probably doubling the cost. Not exactly greedy. [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] Well, not exactly fixed but its better.
[QUOTE=laserguided;39816701]Guys they sort of fixed it. They doubled the amount of servers, probably doubling the cost. Not exactly greedy. [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] Well, not exactly fixed but its better.[/QUOTE] Aussie and EU release tonight so it'll get worse again more than likely. It'll take a week or so before it's smooth again, I have patience though.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39816276]Yeah, just how everything on WoW is ran by Blizzard, so no private servers. Oh wait... If someone really cares enough they will make it so you can play offline.[/QUOTE] And how long did it take for the private servers to be made?
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