In my AS-Level web design unit the website didn't even have to function. I literally made mine in photoshop because all we were doing was taking screenshots and printing them off for the moderators.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;31968719]uh you have to be some kind of moron to think that windows 98 is better than vista[/QUOTE]
I think he means how vista is a hunk of shit?
I couldn't agree more.
When my old IT teacher told us to make a calculator with addition/subtraction in Visual Basic, I copy and pasted a few lines from the guide and edited a tiny part to add divide/multiply keys to the calculator and he was so amazed by what I had done it was ridiculous, he then tried making me teach others how to do it.
All he did every lesson was sit in a corner playing train simulators while everyone else played flash games/doom multiplayer.
I read 'Google boss rapes education'.
Oops. :v:
"Britain's education is bad because we're not running it" :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;31968719]uh you have to be some kind of moron to think that windows 98 is better than vista[/QUOTE]
No, I highly dislike both of them, where in my post did I once say I liked 98? I was mocking them due to the fact that the teacher has vista ultimate, and they all think it looks amazing, but it's vista.
[QUOTE=DDSNv2;31969214]I read 'Google boss rapes education'.
Oops. :v:[/QUOTE]
Don't worry. All of us misinterpreted the title in some way. Or the BBC just fucking tricked us.
I don't know much about education in Britain, so I have no right to say whether I agree with him or not
Although education is obviously one of the most important things in a kid's life. It decides where they go to college (if they do go to college), it decides their occupation, their salary. It decides their life.
IT education is so awful in the UK, because for some reason when you sit people in front of a computer they don't want to even bother trying to work or take it seriously and teachers spend so long trying to get people to understand basic concepts of how to use excel or whatnot that it really holds back people who want to learn more. I was hoping that we'd be able to move onto basic programming in my year 9 and 10 IT classes but I already knew everything we learned in year 9 and the lessons were cancelled in year 10. It's a ridiculous state of affairs when the teacher knows so little that they were advising me to use dreamweaver because they couldn't understand HTML.
Probably the main issue is the lack of separation between computer science and IT lessons. Especially when A-Level computer science seemed to be treated as a joke by everyone I spoke to at school to the point where only 2 people signed up to study the course so it ended up getting cancelled. I've learnt nothing about computing at school.
IT wasn't compulsory for GSCE at my school (this was 2008) so most people just stopped learning anything to do with IT at age 14, whereas R.E was compulsory
[QUOTE=matt.ant;31976350]IT wasn't compulsory for GSCE at my school (this was 2008) so most people just stopped learning anything to do with IT at age 14, whereas R.E was compulsory[/QUOTE]
Yes, same here. At 14 RE needs to be canceled, and IT needs to turn into computer science
Are you complaining about pre-uni IT being too easy? Most of IT as it is defined as IT is simple skills for an office worker.
[QUOTE=dirty harry;31964184]Fucked about in DiDA for two years and still passed it. Got a credit or merit, I forget which is one up from a pass.[/QUOTE]
Pass
Merit
Distinction
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[QUOTE=Mr. Crabsworth;31969196]When my old IT teacher told us to make a calculator with addition/subtraction in Visual Basic, I copy and pasted a few lines from the guide and edited a tiny part to add divide/multiply keys to the calculator and he was so amazed by what I had done it was ridiculous, he then tried making me teach others how to do it.
All he did every lesson was sit in a corner playing train simulators while everyone else played flash games/doom multiplayer.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like my kinda guy :v:
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;31958305]What about America's education? Our advanced computer classes consist of Microsoft Office 2003 before uni[/QUOTE]
Offered only at unreasonable times like 7pm.
Wow, the Computing courses up here in Scotland are fantastic in comparison to you guys. I may be using some terms here that you guys don't understand, but just ask and I'll explain. In our first and second years of my secondary school we had compulsory computing where we learned basic word, excel and HTML, and we had to produce a website in notepad.
Then they have Standard Grade which is a course over two years about the equivalent of GCSE, which I didn't do, but I think it expands upon the first two years.
Now I'm doing my Higher computing which is like your first year of A levels and that includes Three units, computer systems where we learn about Binary, memory and the other nitty gritty stuff. Then unit 2 is software development which is done in visual basic. Then the final unit is Artificial intelligence.
And finally there is Advanced Higher computing, equivalent to your second year of A level and that is just an expansion of programming I think.
I agree completely. I just finished a two year course in Interactive Media and to say the least it was hell.
The Web Authoring class I had was awful, and pretty much required me to spend a while learning the ins and outs of Dreamweaver's interface, just so I could write an accompanying essay on how I made each step on my site using the design view. (I recall my teacher saying that CSS isn't important unless you're building a huge site like Facebook. [i]What the fuck, how do he get hired?[/i])
The Web Design class was so bad that I attended it only 9 times last year (out of having the class about 4 times a week) and came out with a distinction without trying.
It's just so bad. I'm put off going to uni because I'm fairly certain it'll be the same shit over again.
well I cant complain as I'm doing the Cisco Certified Network Administer course at my school, but when I left England in 2007 my school was still using Windows 95
I'd like the BBC to bring back programs about coding. Would be awesome.
[QUOTE=frankie penis;31958398]my schools definition of web design is creating a table in dreamweaver and putting words & JPG's in it.[/QUOTE]
I made a website out of pictures made in photoshop and got an A
[QUOTE=PieClock;31985234]I agree completely. I just finished a two year course in Interactive Media and to say the least it was hell.
The Web Authoring class I had was awful, and pretty much required me to spend a while learning the ins and outs of Dreamweaver's interface, just so I could write an accompanying essay on how I made each step on my site using the design view. (I recall my teacher saying that CSS isn't important unless you're building a huge site like Facebook. [i]What the fuck, how do he get hired?[/i])
The Web Design class was so bad that I attended it only 9 times last year (out of having the class about 4 times a week) and came out with a distinction without trying.
It's just so bad. I'm put off going to uni because I'm fairly certain it'll be the same shit over again.[/QUOTE]
Was it a diploma in Art and Design, Interactive Media? Because I'm taking the same course in two weeks...
I did a two year course called the Advanced IT Diploma at college, the web development section and assignment was creating a webpage in Notepad, and the programming section was creating a simple application in Visual Basic
I started doing a BTEC IT course last year and despite it being better than GCSE or A level IT (in my opinion), it's still pretty bad for the most part.
On our web development unit, we were given free reign to make our website using the methods we wanted, but we were given basic table and div templates. What ended up happening is someone like me, who made the effort to do a lot of the website through HTML and CSS ended up only getting a merit mark, while someone who pulled a really nice looking template off of some professional website got a distinction and learnt absolutely nothing.
It makes no sense to me what so ever.
With our C# unit, we had to create a questionaire thing, but despite our teacher apparently being a decent programmer, he still failed to teach us anything of use and what we ended up with was horrible looking windows with over 20 tabs that were made using Visual studio, so we only ended up doing about 3 lines of code for each button.
Then I learn at the end of the year that the other classes teacher actually taught them a good way to do it that wasn't messy or anything and that what our class did was pretty much a joke.
Part of the application was also supposed to be able to print off the results of the questionnaire, but instead of teaching us how to print anything out by ourselves, or giving us clues and letting us figure out, they basically gave us some pre-made buggy code that we just dumped into our programs.
God damn I was mad. Hopefully this next year will be better.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;31985806]Was it a diploma in Art and Design, Interactive Media? Because I'm taking the same course in two weeks...[/QUOTE]
Not sure. All I ever knew it as was Interactive Media. It covered stuff like 3D modelling, Photoshop, and Web Development. I think this is it: [url]http://www.edexcel.com/quals/nationals10/media/Pages/default.aspx[/url]
Wow Australian public school education must be really good in comparison to the UK, we did CAD in year 7 here... Although year 7 was the last year that a computer-dedicated subject was mandatory (although through year 10 several of my courses did some shit in Microsoft Access).
[QUOTE=Antdawg;31986035]Wow Australian public school education must be really good in comparison to the UK, we did CAD in year 7 here... Although year 7 was the last year that a computer-dedicated subject was mandatory (although through year 10 several of my courses did some shit in Microsoft Access).[/QUOTE]
Up in Scotland, I did CAD and 3D Modelling in my 3rd year graphics class and basic programming in Technical Studies. And this year I'm doing computing. So we get quite a range of computer skills over many different subjects.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;31986035]Wow Australian public school education must be really good in comparison to the UK, we did CAD in year 7 here... Although year 7 was the last year that a computer-dedicated subject was mandatory (although through year 10 several of my courses did some shit in Microsoft Access).[/QUOTE]
We do CAD in the UK in year 8 but it doesn't come under IT, it comes under Design and Technology and you only do it for about a month, we used Pro/DESKTOP
Wow, that sounds like shit. Here in the US we had quite a few options in high school. Web design (HTML), c++ 1 and 2, computer animation, CAD, and computer hardware. Then we also had a basic skills class called Computer applications, and that was the class that you took to learn Microsoft office.
I sort of agree with him, I remember my IT classes- all we did was learn about businesses to do with computers, and spreadsheets. Needless to say, it wasn't fun. I might as well have taken Business Studies instead. My IT teacher was cool and knowledgeable, and he knew his stuff when it came to coding. Sometimes he would teach me a few things if there was time. But unfortunately, we were made to mess around with Power Point presentations.
For the last year, the teacher did start to teach the class HTML and CSS (Which I had learned the basics of by the time I was 11) to design a website, and they found it too 'hard' and 'boring', while I and a few others managed the tasks fairly easily. They scrapped the idea of programming classes after that. :rolleyes:
5 years ago in my year 10 computer science class, we learnt Pascal.
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