• First Xbox Live games for Windows 8 revealed
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[QUOTE=zombays;37484223]Reason #3497 why I´m sticking with 7[/QUOTE] "i'm gonna put myself in a potential security risk position because lol fuck this feature that isnt even mandatory for me to use!!"
[QUOTE=Higginz511;37486137]Isn't windows 8 pretty much Windows 7 but with Metro replacing the start menu?[/QUOTE] No It's a [I]lot[/I] faster and much less memory intensive. It also boots insanely quick too.
Don't see the problem. It's not trying to be Steam or compete with it, It's not mandatory, it's just a feature if you want it, so why the hate?
[QUOTE=megafat;37482661]John Carmack also said there was nothing of value in Windows 8. He's right too. Lol, no. Because Microsoft.[/QUOTE] That was a 1 line comment where John Carmack made a fool of himself by saying he really liked the performance enhancements in windows 7 but "there was nothing exciting about windows 8". Some serious incoherency there but whatever.
damn it, I was hoping for some sort of xbe file support to play on Windows 8, if it get that, I will then switch to 8.
I'm fine with this as long as it isn't as bad as gwfl Jesus Christ that was terrible [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=zombays;37484223]Reason #3497 why I´m sticking with 7[/QUOTE] 3497 reasons hey? Mind telling us them all
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37488098]I'm fine with this as long as it isn't as bad as gwfl Jesus Christ that was terrible[/QUOTE] Pretty sure this is GFWL, and while it was a train wreck supposedly it's much better in windows 8. Which you'd hope because Microsoft is now firmly rooted in the games industry and it'd ridiculous to neglect any of their gaming services. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;37488098]3497 reasons hey? Mind telling us them all[/QUOTE] I bet you all of them are "omg fuk u m$ dum tablet os" :v:.
[QUOTE=Elspin;37489914]Pretty sure this is GFWL, and while it was a train wreck supposedly it's much better in windows 8. Which you'd hope because Microsoft is now firmly rooted in the games industry and it'd ridiculous to neglect any of their gaming services. I bet you all of them are "omg fuk u m$ dum tablet os" :v:.[/QUOTE] GFWL is still pretty much a seperate entity This is only really for Metro games.
[QUOTE=Higginz511;37486137]Isn't windows 8 pretty much Windows 7 but with Metro replacing the start menu?[/QUOTE] Start screen replaces start menu Huge underhood improvements OVerall UI improvements - ribbon in a lot of new places Awesome skydrive integration Multiple other UI improvements Decent trackpad gesture support. At least from memory. [QUOTE=Elspin;37489914]Pretty sure this is GFWL, and while it was a train wreck supposedly it's much better in windows 8. Which you'd hope because Microsoft is now firmly rooted in the games industry and it'd ridiculous to neglect any of their gaming services. I bet you all of them are "omg fuk u m$ dum tablet os" :v:.[/QUOTE] Not really - admittedly the biggest gripe people have with GFWL is not the netowrking itself but the really shitty client for it. Which takes ages to load, is generally flunky and hates signing in. With xbox integration on win8 these problems generally go away. Sure you still use a unified login, and can drop cross platform messages but that's just about it. Plus they've shown they're good on the integration with WP7.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;37489941]Start screen replaces start menu Huge underhood improvements OVerall UI improvements - ribbon in a lot of new places Awesome skydrive integration Multiple other UI improvements Decent trackpad gesture support. At least from memory.[/QUOTE] Plenty of upgraded administration features, general bugfixes, better customisation in relation to wallpapers, better support in general for older applications
[QUOTE=Elspin;37489914]Pretty sure this is GFWL, and while it was a train wreck supposedly it's much better in windows 8. Which you'd hope because Microsoft is now firmly rooted in the games industry and it'd ridiculous to neglect any of their gaming services. I bet you all of them are "omg fuk u m$ dum tablet os" :v:.[/QUOTE] I have Xbox on my phone, the integration is great so if it is like that then I am looking forward to xbox some more Also no, I support w8 and I'm on the RP
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37489924]GFWL is still pretty much a seperate entity This is only really for Metro games.[/QUOTE] They're still tied in though, the interface when you hit home key in game is basically the old xbox interface, and it's connected to the same networking server with people who are playing xbox games so you can message them and see them online. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;37490005]I have Xbox on my phone, the integration is great so if it is like that then I am looking forward to xbox some more Also no, I support w8 and I'm on the RP[/QUOTE] I wasn't trying to imply [b]you[/b] were on the MS hate bandwagon for no reason, just the person who tried to claim there are thousands of reasons not to upgrade to windows 8
Oh, okay. Well I just find it stupid how people hate windows 8, you can make it look like 7 with some minor tweaks here and there (classicshell)
Yeah if they threw in actual Xbox 360 game compatibility I'd get Win 8 in a heartbeat
However there is a possibility that perhaps games you buy on xbox turn up on your PC So basically porting with the ability to play against people on xbox I know they did it once with GWFL when vista was launched and it was semi-successful but mircosoft stopped doing that for some odd reason It could be good competition against steam since you could have a similar thing like steamplay, buy it on PC you've got it on xbox
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37495702]However there is a possibility that perhaps games you buy on xbox turn up on your PC So basically porting with the ability to play against people on xbox I know they did it once with GWFL when vista was launched and it was semi-successful but mircosoft stopped doing that for some odd reason It could be good competition against steam since you could have a similar thing like steamplay, buy it on PC you've got it on xbox[/QUOTE] The cross-platform potential never got used because nobody wanted to use it. Iirc the functionally is still there and everything. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Amiga OS;37494710]Unfortunately its impossible, software emulation just isn't efficient enough to run on consumer hardware.[/QUOTE] Yeah, [I]maybe[/I] some of the earlier games could, when they're much less optimized for the hardware. But if they're anywhere near as optimized for their particular hardware as most modern console games then there's no chance.
[QUOTE=dagoth_ur;37484463]Architecture is different, which is why you can't[/QUOTE] I hardly know anything about the Xbox itself, but with my PS1 dics, I can put them in my CD drive and play them with an emulator.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;37495988]I hardly know anything about the Xbox itself, but with my PS1 dics, I can put them in my CD drive and play them with an emulator.[/QUOTE] Emulation where your hardware doesn't match the original console's hardware can only be done if your hardware is significantly better. And by significantly, I mean a lot better. As Amiga OS said, since your PC can't use hardware emulation it has to use software emulation, and the software emulation won't work very well at all on modern PCs. The hardware just isn't ahead enough yet. Why do you think the Wii is the only current gen console that even got an emulator? The Wii wasn't amazingly different from a GameCube so it's not crazy to emulate it.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;37496010]Emulation where your hardware doesn't match the original console's hardware can only be done if your hardware is significantly better. And by significantly, I mean a lot better. As Amiga OS said, since your PC can't use hardware emulation it has to use software emulation, and the software emulation won't work very well at all on modern PCs. The hardware just isn't ahead enough yet. Why do you think the Wii is the only current gen console that even got an emulator? The Wii wasn't amazingly different from a GameCube so it's not crazy to emulate it.[/QUOTE] Well, Microsoft has access to all of the source code based around the xbox and it's software. An emulator built by them would be [I]immensely[/I] more optimized than any amateur emulation attempt. The reason certain emulators run worse than some others is mainly up to the code, what the coders have access to and how easy it is to get past some things on said console. Microsoft don't have these things blocking their way
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37495702]However there is a possibility that perhaps games you buy on xbox turn up on your PC So basically porting with the ability to play against people on xbox I know they did it once with GWFL when vista was launched and it was semi-successful but mircosoft stopped doing that for some odd reason It could be good competition against steam since you could have a similar thing like steamplay, buy it on PC you've got it on xbox[/QUOTE] Every game that meant to have cross play seriously suffered from it. Shadowrun was a roflstomp from PC murdering consolers. UaW lost most interest for it when it was announced to be Gold only (then trcked back but it was too late) and it was obvious that the PC version suffered hugely in game play mechanics by being designed for cross play with the console version in mind. - High latency on commands, low unit mortality, close in camera, bunch ofo ther issues.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;37489941]Start screen replaces start menu Huge underhood improvements OVerall UI improvements - ribbon in a lot of new places Awesome skydrive integration Multiple other UI improvements Decent trackpad gesture support. At least from memory. Not really - admittedly the biggest gripe people have with GFWL is not the netowrking itself but the really shitty client for it. Which takes ages to load, is generally flunky and hates signing in. With xbox integration on win8 these problems generally go away. Sure you still use a unified login, and can drop cross platform messages but that's just about it. Plus they've shown they're good on the integration with WP7.[/QUOTE] "Improvements" "Ribbon" Okay.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;37494710]Unfortunately its impossible, software emulation just isn't efficient enough to run on consumer hardware.[/QUOTE] Is the architecture really different enough to need to use software emulation?
Well what's the possibility like if Microsoft only allowed gamepads for the games? I know you could bypass it but at least that adds some fairness
[QUOTE=Legend286;37498400]"Improvements" "Ribbon" Okay.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to tell me that, these features I have been using incredibly heavily for months on end now, are somehow bad? [img]http://imgkk.com/i/zx81.png[/img] Is there any specific reason it's bad?
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;37496010]Emulation where your hardware doesn't match the original console's hardware can only be done if your hardware is significantly better. And by significantly, I mean a lot better.[/QUOTE] Bleem! managed full-speed PS1 emulation on the lower-end PCs of 1999, Microsoft might be able to pull off reasonable 360 emulation, considering they know everything there is to know about it. Of course, it's extremely unlikely that they [I]would[/I], since they obviously want you to buy one.
I do not see anything wrong with this. I probably will also be upgrading to windows 8, I will wait a month or two before getting it. The only thing I see wrong with windows 8 is how they will make you boot to the metro screen, which if all I have to do is click or press a button to change it to desktop, I could honestly not give a shit. Every one hated vista, I had no problems with it. As long as the OS does what its supposed to do and is not majorly flawed, I will like it.
[QUOTE=brandonsh;37501458]Bleem! managed full-speed PS1 emulation on the lower-end PCs of 1999, Microsoft might be able to pull off reasonable 360 emulation, considering they know everything there is to know about it. Of course, it's extremely unlikely that they [I]would[/I], since they obviously want you to buy one.[/QUOTE] It'd be interesting to see how many people would still buy a 360 if windows could play all the games, I'm sure some people still would because AFAIK you can get way better specs on a console than a PC of the same price. Microsoft lost money on the xbox when they sold them, it was the game sales they made their money from.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;37501609]I do not see anything wrong with this. I probably will also be upgrading to windows 8, I will wait a month or two before getting it. The only thing I see wrong with windows 8 is how they will make you boot to the metro screen, which if all I have to do is click or press a button to change it to desktop, I could honestly not give a shit. Every one hated vista, I had no problems with it. As long as the OS does what its supposed to do and is not majorly flawed, I will like it.[/QUOTE] Vista actually had a reason to be hated since it needed more resources than XP meaning that old computers were pretty fucked, Win7 improved on this. The hate for Win8 is just ignorance from people thinking that the start screen is actually the desktop.
[QUOTE=Legend286;37498400]"Improvements" "Ribbon" Okay.[/QUOTE] If you haven't used or even touched Office 2010 you have no right to judge it.
What would be smart is if Microsoft was able to legally get their hands on it, is if you own the game tied to your Live account, and a PC version exists, you can download that and play it with no extra purchasing. IE, you buy Bioshock on demand in the Xbox 360 Marketplace, so it's on your account that you "own this game." You go onto your PC, go to your Live Game library, and Bioshock would be there, and you click download. Bam, the PC version is on there. It limits your library, but its a lot simpler than emulation.
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