Lack of resources, awareness the reason Assassin women will not appear in Unity - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45070655]When you do motion capture (which is pretty much the major source of human animation in AAA games), what you are doing is literally retargeting Not to mention this: [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-06/2014-06-11_12-53-56.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]I kind of love that all these Ubisoft people are just throwing this guy under the bus

[QUOTE=Combineguy;45070660]I kind of love that all these Ubisoft people are just throwing this guy under the bus[/QUOTE] I like how the people who would be defending him (i.e. the ones with experience with the engines and making the animations/models) are the ones saying he's wrong, and the ones who don't have any experience with it and the ones saying he's right.

[QUOTE=Kwaq;45069490]game developers should be able to make whatever they like without the pressure of ethics groups to shove shit down their throats for not creating the game a certain way[/QUOTE] Okay, I'm gonna go make a game about school shootings that depicts them as a practical response to bullying. I can do it sure, but nobody sane will be happy I did, almost no one will financially compensate me for doing it, and everyone is going to say I shouldn't have done it. The right to free speech includes the right to criticize, if you want to say or do something that makes you look like a complete idiot, then we all have the right to say you look like a complete idiot, and we have just as much right to keep that in mind when considering who we spend our money on.

Considering each Ubisoft game has five thousand people working on it how hard would it be to hire two or three more animators to do retargetting and custom animation? I mean they already had female assassins as NPCs since Brotherhood, and the main character from Liberation was a woman, why not use those animations?

[QUOTE=Pennywise;45069648]Now I haven't played the AC games since 2, so feel free to disregard me if I'm flagrantly wrong due to a change of perspective later on in the series, but I recall it usually being built more around Desmond's ancestors with Desmond himself serving as an anchor for the stories. Hell; at one point I was technically "playing" as a sperm, because that was the ancestor the Animus locked onto instead of the descendant carrying said sperm. If magic gene science can accidentally do that, it could probably sync a dude up with a girl ancestor well enough.[/QUOTE] I guess the main point I am making is that it wouldn't be far fetched that Desmond can only view his paternal line of ancestors. In the book Dune there is a group called the Bene Gesserit, which is a purely female group, and their leaders can recall the memories of their maternal ancestors, but not the other line. I wouldn't be surprised if Dune acted as an inspiration for the whole genetic memory thing.

They should stop coming up with awful excuses and just straight up say "we didn't put a female character in the game because we didn't want to". Would that be so difficult?

[QUOTE=Combineguy;45070554] and his attitude is one of the most common - "IT'S JUST VIDEO GAMES WHY IS EVERYBODY TAKING IT SO SERIOUSLY." or "WELL NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT X" as if these are valid arguments[/QUOTE] it's not an arguement, it's a conclusion. this is not a problem. not one person can give one exact reason why the whole "girls in video games" "debacle" is a bad thing. in the end it sounds like a bunch of bitching and white knighting over a problem that was manufactured for hype. I'm not even talking about ubisoft or the shitty games they make. Seriously, why is this such a problem? [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] because the only reaction to said "arguments" is just a bunch of people pouncing on the person calling them an ignorant misogynistic bigoted pig. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] also there are much more pressing matters at hand. even in the whole "women's rights" department. can we focus on shit like that before we focus on a purely superficial aspect of an entertainment medium? does anyone realize that male/female characters are simply apart of a purely superficial plot that's simply there to move the game along in an organic manner? noone saves the day because they have a magical Y chromosome.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072616]does anyone realize that male/female characters are simply apart of a purely superficial plot that's simply there to move the game along in an organic manner? noone saves the day because they have a magical Y chromosome.[/QUOTE] It's about having character design that doesn't keep the same crappy gender archetypes locked tight in boxes In the case of Assassin's Creed it would also be historical accuracy because the most famous assassination of the French Revolution was committed by a woman [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday[/url]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45072755]It's about having character design that doesn't keep the same crappy gender archetypes locked tight in boxes[/QUOTE] this affects gameplay how [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] my point is that video games are still way to immature in the end i think all the male gamers need to shut their fucking mouths about the subject for starters.

also [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-06/2014-06-11_18-35-14.png[/img] [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072773]my point is that video games are still way to immature[/QUOTE] Therefore you respond to attempts at making the medium of video games better with: [QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072773]in the end i think all the male gamers need to shut their fucking mouths about the subject for starters.[/QUOTE] ????

you keep avoiding the question why is this so fucking important

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072773]this affects gameplay how[/QUOTE] By affecting the story? Besides that, games aren't 100% self-contained. Like any artistic medium, they reflect and affect the culture they're created in. Refusing to have equal representation - and that's what this is, not due to any BS 'lack of time' - can hurt the culture the game is created in. Even if it was just laziness and not refusal, that falls into the bystander effect. At that point you're essentially making the situation worse by not trying to make it better.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072825]you keep avoiding the question why is this so fucking important[/QUOTE] Is it "super fucking important" in the grand scheme of things? Perhaps not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't bring it up.

and you fail to give an actually pressing answer besides something to do with plot and again, utterly superficial and infantile parts of gaming. if they hired writers who weren't absolute shit this wouldn't even be a problem. as for now game plots are written by manchildren. you know what solves this problem? invest more money in better writers. and give them creative control. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Lijitsu;45072832]By affecting the story?[/QUOTE] since when has the game's story actually affected gameplay.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072844] you know what solves this problem? invest more money in better writers. and give them creative control. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072773]this affects gameplay how[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072844]you know what solves this problem? invest more money in better writers. and give them creative control.[/QUOTE] I agree, but if no one raises their voice to say that having four white guys with stubble and not a single playable woman among the four is bullshit, then they will never even have any motivation to change whatsoever. Complaining isn't a waste of time.

i see the problem. you want other people to change for you. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45072863] Complaining isn't a waste of time.[/QUOTE] yes it is. this is not vietnam this is not a political issue you can only solve by picketing. if you actually wanted to stage a protest how about a boycott? oh what is the game too fun? in the end if you want that game made you're going to have to do it yourself. this isn't even complaining. it's being an "ideas guy", except [b]with a noble cause[/b]

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072869]i see the problem. you want other people to change for you.[/QUOTE] Do you think people always act out of self-interest? What a dumb way to see things. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072869] yes it is. this is not vietnam[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/d/0/cripes.001.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45072877]Do you think people always act out of self-interest? What a dumb way to see things.[/QUOTE] then who are you acting for?

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072825]you keep avoiding the question why is this so fucking important[/QUOTE] it's at most a team of a few artists working for a week, it doesn't need to be [I]fucking important[/I]

shite excuse from a shite company

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072898]then who are you acting for?[/QUOTE] Maybe, as a game developer, I'd like to see the medium take a few steps forwards and finally give up idiotic dudebro archetypes and demeaning stereotypes? Video games aren't something trivial, they're an industry bigger than movies.

[QUOTE=Juniez;45072909]it's at most a team of a few artists working for a week, it doesn't need to be [I]fucking important[/I][/QUOTE] when the term "raise awareness" is used it's generally carrying the notion that it is "fucking important" you raise awareness about breast cancer and parkinson's. "raising awareness" about how video game plots are made is a fucking joke and disgrace to the term [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45072926]Maybe, as a game developer, I'd like to see the medium take a few steps forwards and finally give up idiotic dudebro archetypes and demeaning stereotypes?[/QUOTE] then why don't you make a fuckin game about it instead of bitching about it. "as a game developer" doesn't mean dick. in fact it makes you a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072844]and you fail to give an actually pressing answer besides something to do with plot and again, utterly superficial and infantile parts of gaming. if they hired writers who weren't absolute shit this wouldn't even be a problem. as for now game plots are written by manchildren. you know what solves this problem? invest more money in better writers. and give them creative control. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] since when has the game's story actually affected gameplay.[/QUOTE] The problem is, that better writers are often not the solution. You'll often get a push from corporate to focus on certain characters and ignore others. Often refusing funding to things that focus on what's unpopular with corporate.

you have no "voice" because the developers see you all as a bunch of numbers. you complain about this shit yet you still buy their games. in other words, it's patheticly futile and most likely premature it does not matter if video games are a bigger industry than movies. that doesn't change the fact that video games are not known for plot, whatsoever. generally you need some kind of leverage. bitching is a bunch of weightless hot air.

Their excuse is pretty bad in my opinion However, I don't think that they need a one [U]at all[/U]. It's not that kind of a change that could affect gameplay/story/immesion in any way. Sure, it would be pretty cool if you could play as a woman (I usually pick a female character in a video game whenever I get the choice, don't ask me why), but I think that this doesn't deserve as much attention as you're giving it.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072935]then why don't you make a fuckin game about it instead of bitching about it.[/QUOTE] Can't tell you how often I've heard men say, "women should just make games themselves if they want to change the gaming scene." And when they do, 'oh, they're not [I]real [/I]games'. [QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072935]you raise awareness about breast cancer and parkinson's. "raising awareness" about how video game plots are made is a fucking joke and disgrace to the term[/QUOTE] Mature adults notice when they've done something dumb and strive to stop doing it, especially when it requires basically no effort on their part. This isn't censorship, and [I]it doesn't mean that other controversial issues aren't being tackled[/I]. In fact, it means the opposite of this when there's a healthy, free exchange of ideas and beliefs. If sexism wasn't an issue in storytelling in movies and games, we wouldn't be seeing videos questioning why the majority of high-budget films star all male casts. What's inherently masculine about robbing banks, driving fast sports cars, killing, wearing hockey masks, or shooting guns? Aside from what society's shaped us to believe, nothing. Instead of having this terrible defeatist attitude, ask questions. When you play a game or watch a movie with yet another white male with stubble that kills tons of dudes ask, "why can't this character be a woman? a black dude? an old man? a hispanic lady?" Chances are (in a lot of generic garbage that comes out) the role could easily fit somebody else, but the creators are either too incompetent and/or lazy to consider that or b) when people bring up the fact that, maybe, hey, this could be different, they get told (by people like you) "but this isn't important!". Society, media, and video games by extension aren't going to just change on their own, people have to manifest themselves on every level of production.

and if games were actually known for plot this would not even exist as a problem. if anything it could shift gender norms if done right we just are so not there yet to even be thinking about it. dial down the broshit first, basically.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;45072983]Their excuse is pretty bad in my opinion However, I don't think that they need a one [U]at all[/U]. It's not that kind of a change that could affect gameplay/story/immesion in any way. Sure, it would be pretty cool if you could play as a woman (I usually pick a female character in a video game whenever I get the choice, don't ask me why), but I think that this doesn't deserve as much attention as you're giving it.[/QUOTE] As I've mentioned before, the decision not to include any female character at all is doubly dumb because of the most decisive assassinations of the French Revolution was committed by a woman. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday[/url] "Marie-Anne Charlotte de Corday d'Armont (27 July 1768 – 17 July 1793), known to history as Charlotte Corday , was a figure of the French Revolution. In 1793, she was executed under the guillotine for the assassination of Jacobin leader Jean-Paul Marat, who was in part responsible, through his role as a politician and journalist, for the more radical course the Revolution had taken. More specifically, he played a substantial role in the political purge of the Girondins, with whom Corday sympathized. His murder was memorialized in a celebrated paintin" [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073005]dial down the broshit first, basically.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what this is pushing for...

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072979]you have no "voice" because the developers see you all as a bunch of numbers. you complain about this shit yet you still buy their games. in other words, it's patheticly futile and most likely premature it does not matter if video games are a bigger industry than movies. that doesn't change the fact that video games are not known for plot, whatsoever. generally you need some kind of leverage. bitching is a bunch of weightless hot air.[/QUOTE] yeahhhhh.. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45073018] This is exactly what this is pushing for...[/QUOTE] then why not cast off the pathetic white knight bullshit and actually do something about it. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] i mean the general response i hear is out of laziness. picketing the offices would be more effective. hell i live by at least 10 game studios and could probably round up enough ornery assholes to come with me. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] in my own opinion i think gaming itself is in big trouble. i think that's why i see this as a trivial issue. fix gaming first. in fact if you fixed gaming everything would follow suit and this... "problem" would correct itself so fast you'd probably not even notice it. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] in other words no one is achieving anything by talking about it. we all know the solution so we should all know that "discussion" does jack shit. actions speak louder than words spoken on a fucking forum supposedly a bunch of big box devs frequent. you cannot solve this problem. it isn't even a problem. it's a fucking flow chart and profit margins. it was said by someone else as well. this is all the fault of corporate. how the fuck will your bitching over ride some dickbrain's need for a second mega yacht?