Lack of resources, awareness the reason Assassin women will not appear in Unity - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45072979]that doesn't change the fact that video games are not known for plot, whatsoever.[/QUOTE] [i]What[/i]. What the fuck games have you been playing? A shit ton of the ones I play are all about plot.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;45073127][i]What[/i]. What the fuck games have you been playing? A shit ton of the ones I play are all about plot.[/QUOTE] give me names man. i do actually enjoy this discussion now. lets try not to put words in other people's mouths and treat each other as actual people instead of a faceless enemy.

I remember that Frozen gave a similar excuse when it was early in it's development. They listened to the complaints. Despite not having a variety of female leads, the team made the current ones extremely important to the narrative. The movie pretty much widened and revived the general interest in animation. I'm guessing that the same could probably happen with Ubisoft if they try.

well my point still stands that video game plots can not stand on their own and are only cool in context. in other words, take the plot of any video game and turn it into a movie. yeah it's probably terrible and contrived on the big screen. even looking back on the big twist in bioshock... it's sort of retarded in a way. some would say it's an excuse for the linear progression, and the fact that the sprawling underwater city we wanted isn't possible in such a context (WYK)

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073132]give me names man. i do actually enjoy this discussion now. lets try not to put words in other people's mouths and treat each other as actual people instead of a faceless enemy.[/QUOTE]Bastion, transistor, bioshock series, mass effect series, amnesia, deus ex series, warcraft series, thief series, portal 1&2, braid. Thats some of my favourite games that are riddled with this mysterious thing called plot. They are also "kinda" well known universally even among not video-game people (at least bioshock series and amnesia or portal) And if you want an example of a game thats literally only about the plot: Gone Home

I honestly find it hilarious how everyone is treating this news as though Ubisoft said there won't be a single woman in Unity. Just because you can't play as a chick doesn't mean the entire game is going to be one huge sausage fest. As bad as it sounds, sex appeal is practically a standard in any game rated above E10+ these days. For example: [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45073018]As I've mentioned before, the decision not to include any female character at all is doubly dumb because of the most decisive assassinations of the French Revolution was committed by a woman. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday[/url] "Marie-Anne Charlotte de Corday d'Armont (27 July 1768 – 17 July 1793), known to history as Charlotte Corday , was a figure of the French Revolution. In 1793, she was executed under the guillotine for the assassination of Jacobin leader Jean-Paul Marat, who was in part responsible, through his role as a politician and journalist, for the more radical course the Revolution had taken. More specifically, he played a substantial role in the political purge of the Girondins, with whom Corday sympathized. His murder was memorialized in a celebrated paintin"[/QUOTE] If there's one thing Ubisoft almost always does right, it's historical accuracy. I'd bet my top dollar that we'll see Charlotte Corday as a prominent character in the game and she'll probably even be an ally to Arnaud. Don't you worry. Yes, having the option to play as a woman would be nice, but it couldn't work in past Assassin's Creed games due to the history that the series revolves around. It's established that Altair, Ezio, Aveline, Edward, Adewale, Haytham, and Connor were important, even revolutionary and legendary assassins of their times. Having the option to play as the opposite gender in those games would only work if you followed an entirely different storyline. Now that the story appears to be shifting away from Desmond (thank god) and his ancestry, it could open up a new world of possibilities in which creating your own character may fit in if they can get a good story to work alongside it.

warcraft? really?

[QUOTE=CLungcancer;45073299]Bastion, transistor, bioshock series, mass effect series, amnesia, deus ex series, warcraft series, thief series, portal 1&2, braid. Thats some of my favourite games that are riddled with this mysterious thing called plot. They are also "kinda" well known universally even among not video-game people (at least bioshock series and amnesia or portal) And if you want an example of a game thats literally only about the plot: Gone Home[/QUOTE] Dragon Age series, Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2, - virtually no experience with the MMO, it felt more focused on the gameplay than story - The Elder Scrolls series, Cryostasis even though I haven't played it much, Fallout series, Mafia II, Penny Arcade's On a Rainslick Precipice series, Knights of the Old Republic series... that's just the ones I read out of my Steam folder and a few seconds of memory. There are plenty of games that don't really use their plot, but there are more than plenty of games where the plot is incredibly important.

eh fuck it. post below it's a bit retarded to say braid had a plot. yeah it kinda did in a really insanely fill in the blanks bare bones way. Plot for like every elder scrolls game ever. you're a prisoner. you're set free. you have to save the world. you save it, for now...

Anyone else tired of all the SJW criticism in video games? If the devs don't want any female characters, then that's fine. Women don't go to a movie and shout about the lack of female leads. Women don't read a book featuring a male lead and scribble out all the male words and make him female. I don't see why in this medium there is always a burning desire to point it out. The "m-me too" shit is beyond annoying at this point.

[QUOTE=Charades;45073406]Anyone else tired of all the SJW criticism in video games?[/QUOTE] Boxing people and criticism under a "SJW" tag reinforces the notion that respect and equality are niche subjects instead of a general everyday life philosophy. It's a very dubious way to approach things. [QUOTE=Charades;45073406]The "m-me too" shit is beyond annoying at this point.[/QUOTE] That's easy to say when 99% of video games have been made with only your demographic in mind.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45073428] That's easy to say when 99% of video games have been made with only your demographic in mind.[/QUOTE] why is that. this question is almost rhetorical but i just want to see if you can say it, we both know the answer.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45073428]That's easy to say when 99% of video games have been made with only your demographic in mind.[/QUOTE] It's easy to say because I just want to play VIDEO GAMES. The sex doesn't matter, the skin color doesn't matter. THE GAMEPLAY MATTERS, yet all the criticism I see is exactly Social Justice stuff.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45073018]As I've mentioned before, the decision not to include any female character at all is doubly dumb because of the most decisive assassinations of the French Revolution was committed by a woman. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday[/url] "Marie-Anne Charlotte de Corday d'Armont (27 July 1768 – 17 July 1793), known to history as Charlotte Corday , was a figure of the French Revolution. In 1793, she was executed under the guillotine for the assassination of Jacobin leader Jean-Paul Marat, who was in part responsible, through his role as a politician and journalist, for the more radical course the Revolution had taken. More specifically, he played a substantial role in the political purge of the Girondins, with whom Corday sympathized. His murder was memorialized in a celebrated paintin" [/QUOTE] They never said they wont include female characters though "playable" is a keyword here

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45073428]Boxing people and criticism under a "SJW" tag reinforces the notion that respect and equality are niche subjects instead of a general everyday life philosophy. It's a very dubious way to approach things. [/QUOTE] that's giving this "issue" more prescience than it deserves. it seems almost like you think this thing is destroying women's rights actively.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073433]why is that. this question is almost rhetorical but i just want to see if you can say it, we both know the answer.[/QUOTE] Here's a really great article by Polygon that talks about when video game companies started marketing games towards boys only: [url]http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/12/2/5143856/no-girls-allowed[/url] [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=WhyNott;45073447]They never said they wont include female characters though "playable" is a keyword here[/QUOTE] ah yes oops sorry

so instead of simply answering the question you snidely link to what looks like fanfic.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073454]that's giving this "issue" more prescience than it deserves. it seems almost like you think this thing is destroying women's rights actively.[/QUOTE] You're dodging topics constantly in this thread.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;45073482]You're dodging topics constantly in this thread.[/QUOTE] not even close to how much you guys are. if anything my "topic dodging" is simply because of your schizophrenic debate style. hell one post above yours is a clear example of what you say i'm doing by max. instead of posting a fucking overlong article you could just answer my question. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] so can you answer my question or have you not taken your meds [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of neoseeker, still can't function here." - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073499]if anything both sides of the argument in this thread are misogynistic.[/QUOTE] so now we're onto the "but you guys are the real sexists" argument?

no, just proving a point.

[QUOTE=Charades;45073438]It's easy to say because I just want to play VIDEO GAMES. The sex doesn't matter, the skin color doesn't matter. THE GAMEPLAY MATTERS, yet all the criticism I see is exactly Social Justice stuff.[/QUOTE] You think that because you haven't been systematically erased from every form of media since the dawn of western civilization lmao representation is a thing that kind of matters and even if you don't believe that, i'm amazed that you're not tired of our repertoire of video game main characters being 75% straight white dudes and 20% animals it's supremely shitty writing even when I step off my constant feminist soapbox

Really don't see the point of this. It's a game. If I play as a guy, cool, if I play as a woman, cool, if I get to play as any, cool. It really doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073499]not even close to how much you guys are. if anything my "topic dodging" is simply because of your schizophrenic debate style. hell one post above yours is a clear example of what you say i'm doing by max. instead of posting a fucking overlong article you could just answer my question. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] so can you answer my question or have you not taken your meds[/QUOTE] If you wanted a straight forward argument, maybe you should actually try for one. You're jumping topics and causing us to jump with you. I'm done with it. You dismissed two games that were listed above and then immediately jumped ship - probably because you realized that you were wrong but can't admit it. What about the rest of them? Are they completely and totally without a relevant plot? Does the plot in every single one of those games and game series' only exist just to give the gameplay something to sit on? Oh also? That article Max posted was a direct answer to your question. If you can't realize that, that's your problem.

It's such a shitty answer, this could have been phrased so much better.

[QUOTE=BigFurryHead;45073361]warcraft? really?[/QUOTE]have you even played a warcraft game

[QUOTE=mecaguy03;45069535]Maybe you always play as a man because the whole assassins creed game series up to IV has been built around Desmond, who is a man.[/QUOTE] desmond's biological ancestors were the characters you played as. unless desmond somehow isn't related to women??? [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Charades;45073438]It's easy to say because I just want to play VIDEO GAMES. The sex doesn't matter, the skin color doesn't matter. THE GAMEPLAY MATTERS, yet all the criticism I see is exactly Social Justice stuff.[/QUOTE] then i guess you wouldn't mind if every single white dudebro in modern shooters was replaced with a fat black lady. right??? unless you mean to tell me that you hate representation in games unless it's the exact same "representation" we've had for the last 2 decades. [editline]11th June 2014[/editline] i mean like, this is the one post i see in these kinds of threads - who cares???? only the gameplay matters? if only the gameplay matters, then replacing or adding diverse characters should have no negative effect on the game. unless you're going to pull that "but that money will cut into the GAMEPLAY FUNDING money" bullshit, because in that case you could make up for that by getting rid of grape juice boxes from the game studio's break room.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45076639]desmond's biological ancestors were the characters you played as. unless desmond somehow isn't related to women???[/QUOTE]Women didn't exist until Tumblr forced it on the Men of the world in the 1920s. Before it was just birthing machines.

I think it's just a cool way of Ubisoft saying "We're not going to invest money on people that don't buy our games".

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;45077009]I think it's just a cool way of Ubisoft saying "We're not going to invest money on people that don't buy our games".[/QUOTE] wow it's actually like people want to make critiques about game series that they enjoy and that game companies make lazy excuses