PC patch in the works for Watch Dogs; "supporting PC is an incredibly complex task" - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/27/watch-dogs-is-targeting-pc-as-lead-platform/[/url] My fucking ASS, Ubisoft.... You can't claim you're targeting PC as lead platform and then after release say: Oh but there is no Unified Memory on PC!?

[QUOTE=Greendead;44949522]To get things straight: People are complaining watch dogs not being like in E3 gameplay trailer or that it doesn't have stuff GTA has. I agree about E3 footage, but many games were scripted during E3 to make it look nice. GTA has a totally different engine, way better than Watch Dogs. So it CAN'T have all the stuff GTA has. I am very impressed with that hacking stuff. When you check random people on the street, I haven't seen a single person that has the same work or cash balance, they are all unique. I didn't play Watch Dogs a lot, but so far it's a very enjoyable experience, except some minor lag problems I have. (Due to my PC) tl:dr: Watch Dogs is a fun game, but don't expect it to be GTA. It has some graphical difficulties, but what matters the most is how fun it is.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_A6Z3gkXlk[/media] I couldn't believe any of it till i saw this. Glad i didn't buy in to the hypemachine. Watch it in 1080p/full screen.

[QUOTE=The golden;44951669]This should serve as yet ANOTHER fucking reminder on why you shouldn't pre-order games. But who am I kidding people will do it in droves anyway.[/QUOTE] There was someone boasting about not pre-ordering it, despite buying it on day one and hating it :v:

[QUOTE=The golden;44951669]This should serve as yet ANOTHER fucking reminder on why you shouldn't pre-order games. But who am I kidding people will do it in droves anyway.[/QUOTE] I was reluctant to pre-order far cry 3 and wolfenstein but I ended up enjoying them. I think it's more or less because of hit and miss quality I'm too scared to risk the money on preordering.

I love these threads because they draw out the pseudo "experts" who know nothing about game development talk about game development like something a four year old can pull off. [QUOTE=virbios;44950222]I suppose supporting PC is really hard while supporting the consoles that are based on PC hardware is a piece of cake sure nice[/QUOTE] Case in point

did they not say that PC was the lead platform..?

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;44951907]I was reluctant to pre-order far cry 3 and wolfenstein but I ended up enjoying them. I think it's more or less because of hit and miss quality I'm too scared to risk the money on preordering.[/QUOTE] And I was reluctant to preorder Watch_Dogs, and I've had a fair bit of fun with it despite everyone's incessant bitching. The problem is when people preorder without much information out there and hype the fuck out of every game to the point where it will never reach that level. Basing a game off an E3 trailer is one major problem in and of itself, there is plenty of bullshitting what a game looks like during E3, especially when years in advance. Aliens: Colonial Marines on the other hand, released relatively little actual gameplay info and no real gameplay footage in trailers at all and ended up being an absolute piece of shit.

[QUOTE=The golden;44951669]This should serve as yet ANOTHER fucking reminder on why you shouldn't pre-order games. But who am I kidding people will do it in droves anyway.[/QUOTE] On the other hand I preorder games from time to time if I can get a good deal and I never get burned. eg I preordered Wolfenstein and saved $15 on it. Preordering is okay, people just need to stop preordering games they aren't sure will be good.

[QUOTE=Greendead;44949522]To get things straight: People are complaining watch dogs not being like in E3 gameplay trailer or that it doesn't have stuff GTA has. I agree about E3 footage, but many games were scripted during E3 to make it look nice. GTA has a totally different engine, way better than Watch Dogs. So it CAN'T have all the stuff GTA has. I am very impressed with that hacking stuff. When you check random people on the street, I haven't seen a single person that has the same work or cash balance, they are all unique. I didn't play Watch Dogs a lot, but so far it's a very enjoyable experience, except some minor lag problems I have. (Due to my PC) tl:dr: Watch Dogs is a fun game, but don't expect it to be GTA. It has some graphical difficulties, but what matters the most is how fun it is.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA9BEA4Hxs[/media] lmao buyers remorse.

[IMG]http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Watch-Dogs-Pokes-Fun-at-GTA-V-s-Los-Santos-with-New-Poster-383859-2.jpg[/IMG] Damnit Rockstar,where is my PC version!

No regrets pre-ordering the game for $30. I usually don't pre-order stuff, but at that price I couldn't resist.

...where did you happen to get a pre order at such a low price?

Pretty funny how Ubisoft has been constantly claiming how they work on the PC version of their games before the console versions ever since their massive, unoptimized flop that was Assassin's Creed III. The irony is all too palpable.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;44952901]...where did you happen to get a pre order at such a low price?[/QUOTE] Theres a few places and forums where you can give some folks money to gift you the game, I did that, got like 50% off it. They usually earn their profits from sheer volume of the sales.

[QUOTE=The golden;44952816]One of these days you will get burned and the $15 you might have saved will be worthless because you'll be out $50-$60 on a shitty game.[/QUOTE] Maybe, but it hasn't happened yet, and as long as it doesn't happen people will keep preordering games which is why this "Stop preordering everyone!" push will never gain traction.

If it's so easy, why didnt you do it right the first time?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44954044]you can never be sure a game is good you can be hyped you can waste your cash on it before it even touches a normal consumer's hands but you can't be 100% sure that it wont be a steaming pile of disappointment and caked semen[/QUOTE] I can. You just have to turn the targeting computer off and use the force. Replace targeting computer with hype and force with common sense.

How much VRAM does your video card have? Well go to your Dxdiag and see how much it shows under display. Oh it's more than what your video card has. PC doesn't have Unified Memory? Fuck off

[QUOTE=reevezy67;44950022]The shit memory management? I know what unified memory is or I wouldn't have mentioned it, they are using a lot more VRAM than is available on most PC's instead of moving it in to system memory. Sure consoles have an advantage in that they have the unified memory, but PC's generally have more processing power so it's not an issue moving it to system ram.[/QUOTE] Because the GPU can't access it if it's in system memory. Modern (i.e. Vista+) systems do visualise VRAM into system RAM (Hence why the dxdiag value is misleading), but you can't actually rely on using system RAM for rendering a scene (Since to access the textures the system has to transfer it over the system bus, which is still quite slow), what it's used for is to provide fast app switching (Every app can see and use the same amount of VRAM, much like normal RAM), and providing unified memory access (To programs, not the hardware, pretty sure it's how software rendered GDI works, writes into a buffer that is shared with the GPU) It's certainly possible to store textures in system RAM and let the OS page them into VRAM when needed, it's just really slow and sub-optimal, that's why nobody relies on it.

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;44953853]If it's so easy, why didnt you do it right the first time?[/QUOTE] What the hell are you even saying? Did you even read the title?

There's literally no reason to preorder any game ever. Just buy it day 1 or 2 like a normal reasonable person.

[QUOTE=The golden;44952816]But that's every game? With game like this they intentionally keep you in the dark and just feed you carefully tailored marketing material so you don't know the actual truth about whether the game is good or not. All you know is what they want you to know (hello SimCity). Some even go as far as to outright fucking lie like Colonial Marines. Folks like Jim Sterling even claimed that the press was given a copy of the game that was not the same as the release version - so even they couldn't give out the truth. In this day and age there is just no way you can accurately be sure if a game is good or not based off pre-release information. The solution is to just wait for release before you purchase it. One of these days you will get burned and the $15 you might have saved will be worthless because you'll be out $50-$60 on a shitty game.[/QUOTE] There are still [I]some[/I] very rare exceptions. For example I preordered Europa Universalis IV after having played the demo (which was actually available before release). And Brütal Legend because it had already been released years ago on console. But yeah most of the time preordering isn't a good idea at all.

[QUOTE=Robber;44958755]There's literally no reason to preorder any game ever. Just buy it day 1 or 2 like a normal reasonable person.[/QUOTE] The only valid reason preordering still exists is so that a copy of the game is reserved specifically for you and nobody else. Without a preorder, you could show up on day one or day two to buy the game, only for the clerk to tell you they're all sold out and the next shipment won't arrive for a week or two. People just forget that's the main reason because all preorders come with "bonuses" now, like extra content or or free DLCs. Things that people complain about all the time. Of course, a preorder for a digitally distributed game is bullshit of the highest tiers. You can't run out of copies of a game you have to download and install in order to play.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;44959439]The only valid reason preordering still exists is so that a copy of the game is reserved specifically for you and nobody else. Without a preorder, you could show up on day one or day two to buy the game, only for the clerk to tell you they're all sold out and the next shipment won't arrive for a week or two. People just forget that's the main reason because all preorders come with "bonuses" now, like extra content or or free DLCs. Things that people complain about all the time. Of course, a preorder for a digitally distributed game is bullshit of the highest tiers. You can't run out of copies of a game you have to download and install in order to play.[/QUOTE] Also to, you know, fund developers with production :v:

[QUOTE=Novangel;44959633]Also to, you know, fund developers with production :v:[/QUOTE] If I had to guess, a game is at least 95% complete and ready when devs allow customers to preorder. They don't need a whole lot more money to put on those finishing touches.

Hey the cpu usage is low though but that fucking RAM and vRAM memory is off the charts...like damn.

[QUOTE=The golden;44951669]This should serve as yet ANOTHER fucking reminder on why you shouldn't pre-order games. But who am I kidding people will do it in droves anyway.[/QUOTE] The game is still good though. Sure it didn't live up to people's expectations but it's still fun as fuck to play

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44960880]preordering doesnt even go to the devs, they get paid by the publisher regardless of sales until they either start working on a new game or get laid off because the old one didnt sell enough[/QUOTE] Indies?

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;44959439]Of course, a preorder for a digitally distributed game is bullshit of the highest tiers. You can't run out of copies of a game you have to download and install in order to play.[/QUOTE] Tbh, pre-ordering a digital game does offer you the convenience of a pre-load so you can play it when its released. A small advantage, though.

[QUOTE=kaze4159;44949660]The engine (Disrupt) was made by Ubisoft specifically for Watch Dogs, "The engine doesn't support it" isn't an excuse when you made it Especially since some of the missing things are really basic stuff, like bullet impacts[/QUOTE] are you high bullet impacts are totally a thing