"We want to make PC gaming as simple as possible", say Nvidia - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Dr.C;43020150]This. Everyone is terrified of fucking something up but as long as you read the directions(which are only necessary for the cables that connect the case and the motherboard) it should be fine. It's as simple as plugging things in to places where they fit and remembering to put the stoppers in between the motherboard and the case and lining up the CPU correctly.[/QUOTE] I'm not scared of fucking it up, I just don't trust myself to do it right. I'd rather buy all the parts myself and have someone competent (someone who knows for sure what they're doing) put it together instead; and of course, THEY could still fuck it up, but there's a way slimmer chance than if I did it myself and I get to have the exact parts I want in it anyway.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;43021504]It all really depends on how the Steam Box will be advertised in the end, it will be interesting how Valve will market it.[/QUOTE] Gonna fail then because Valve seems reluctant to heavily market anything themselves outside of their own platform. I don't wanna be all negative Nancy here but Valve just doesn't bother doing any speaking for themselves.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;43021504]It all really depends on how the Steam Box will be advertised in the end, it will be interesting how Valve will market it.[/QUOTE] Considering the marketing for some of their games (HL2, L4D2), pretty damn well I'd expect

[QUOTE=Doomish;43024452]I'm not scared of fucking it up, I just don't trust myself to do it right. I'd rather buy all the parts myself and have someone competent (someone who knows for sure what they're doing) put it together instead; and of course, THEY could still fuck it up, but there's a way slimmer chance than if I did it myself and I get to have the exact parts I want in it anyway.[/QUOTE] I was building my computer just last night and I almost did this. While I was plugging in the wires my case's power buttons, it turned out one of them is supposed to go in backwards because of the way two of the pins were arranged. I was about to turn my computer on with the positive wire on the negative pin, etc. It is a good thing I really studied my motherboard's manual and didn't follow those install videos (that were built into the manual via qr code) to the dot. I felt like a mad scientist when I turned my tower on. I was really reluctant when pushing the power button and starting it up, for fear I messed up something else, but the thing whirred to life, much to my satisfaction. Most importantly, there was no arcing electricity, no loud noises, no smells, and no fire. This spells success. Now I am finally ready to install the OS via a USB that I just finished formatting right now. I had intended to use my old optical drive to install but that uses a ribbon cable and my new motherboard only wants SATA.

[QUOTE=Ehmmett;43024501]so build your own. it's literally just a small computer with the Steam OS on it. and the Steam OS is free.[/QUOTE] I did build my own. And that doesn't answer or respond to my problem with Steambox at all.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;43017523]Nvidia cards are 2x as expensive as AMD cards I think is what he means.[/QUOTE] Can you even back that claim up?

[QUOTE=Cjk592;43031238]Can you even back that claim up?[/QUOTE] I would if I could be arsed, but you could always look for yourself.

[QUOTE=Cjk592;43031238]Can you even back that claim up?[/QUOTE] 2x is a bit much, but Nvidia cards do seem to be a bit pricier. A couple of friends opted for AMD since they were on a budget and couldn't find nvidia cards they liked in their price range.

TBH Nvidia is better than AMD in every way. I've had both brands and Nvidia wins by a long shot.

[QUOTE=Leintharien;43029663]I was building my computer just last night and I almost did this. While I was plugging in the wires my case's power buttons, it turned out one of them is supposed to go in backwards because of the way two of the pins were arranged. I was about to turn my computer on with the positive wire on the negative pin, etc. It is a good thing I really studied my motherboard's manual and didn't follow those install videos (that were built into the manual via qr code) to the dot. I felt like a mad scientist when I turned my tower on. I was really reluctant when pushing the power button and starting it up, for fear I messed up something else, but the thing whirred to life, much to my satisfaction. Most importantly, there was no arcing electricity, no loud noises, no smells, and no fire. This spells success. Now I am finally ready to install the OS via a USB that I just finished formatting right now. I had intended to use my old optical drive to install but that uses a ribbon cable and my new motherboard only wants SATA.[/QUOTE] Connecting the headers from your motherboard to your case is the hardest part of putting together a computer, IMO. I've blown up a motherboard because apparently THE HD AUDIO CABLE DOESN'T GO TO THE HD AUDIO HEADER. >:(

[QUOTE=Grabigel;43031413]TBH Nvidia is better than AMD in every way. I've had both brands and Nvidia wins by a long shot.[/QUOTE] In my experience, only reason to get an ATI card is if you plan on doing DirectCompute processes such as folding since they magically get like double performance.

[QUOTE=K1ngo64;43032554]In my experience, only reason to get an ATI card is if you plan on doing DirectCompute processes such as folding since they magically get like double performance.[/QUOTE] It's how Nvidia cards handle Compute. iirc, Nvidia GPUs communicate with the CPU more for those tasks, which is a bottleneck

[QUOTE=Swilly;43023642]Its why I hate the Steam Machine, because it stands in the same line of logic behind prebuilt PCs, Laptops and consoles. It doesn't help the situation at all.[/QUOTE] That is nonsense, how are boxes designed to fit neatly by a television the same as a massive case designed for a desk? Steam Machines aren't pushing the boat out by being prebuilt computers ya dingus. They're there to spur on putting PCs in different form factors (and believe it or not, not everyone wants to put together a computer, regardless of how simple it is).

[QUOTE=K1ngo64;43032554]In my experience, only reason to get an ATI card is if you plan on doing DirectCompute processes such as folding [B]since they magically get like double performance.[/B][/QUOTE] It's due to them having way better GPGPU capabilities. Also, as of right now, there really isn't much difference between AMD and Nvidia in terms of general quality and drivers, they both work just fine. Unless you want PhysX.

[QUOTE=Grabigel;43031413]TBH Nvidia is better than AMD in every way. I've had both brands and Nvidia wins by a long shot.[/QUOTE] In every way except price-to-performance ratio.

[QUOTE=Ehmmett;43040251]You're complaining that steam machines aren't open enough?? They're entirely open. You're allowed to do what you want with them, and anything you can put into a steam machine is already available because it's just a computer.................... I don't get what you're complaining about. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] are you trying to say it's a bad idea because it's not encouraging everybody to build their own? because if you are holy shit..[/QUOTE] Except you're most likely not if they're using specific pieces of hardware to fit the size they seem to have. I haven't seen the specs yet so my current theory is its going to be very laptop like gear which means upgrading that stuff will be a bitch and a half. I don't give a shite and a half that the OS is open, if upgrading the components to thing is a difficult as upgrading laptop components, fuck that shit. Its main competitors are the PS4, Wii U, and Xbox One. It literally adds nothing to discussion with regard to the PC gaming community because if you already have a gaming computer, upgrading that computer will be easier and cheaper than buying a Steam box. On the flip side, if they're going for the console gaming market, then those people playing console games will never upgrade or even think about it other than throwing out the old box and getting a new one. That doesn't help move people to PC, that doesn't help our environment. That is literally the same mentality behind every smartphone, laptop, handheld console.

[QUOTE=Swilly;43045976]Except you're most likely not if they're using specific pieces of hardware to fit the size they seem to have. I haven't seen the specs yet so my current theory is its going to be very laptop like gear which means upgrading that stuff will be a bitch and a half. I don't give a shite and a half that the OS is open, if upgrading the components to thing is a difficult as upgrading laptop components, fuck that shit. Its main competitors are the PS4, Wii U, and Xbox One. It literally adds nothing to discussion with regard to the PC gaming community because if you already have a gaming computer, upgrading that computer will be easier and cheaper than buying a Steam box. On the flip side, if they're going for the console gaming market, then those people playing console games will never upgrade or even think about it other than throwing out the old box and getting a new one. That doesn't help move people to PC, that doesn't help our environment. That is literally the same mentality behind every smartphone, laptop, handheld console.[/QUOTE] You're so misinformed that your post lacks any value.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43046106]You're so misinformed that your post lacks any value.[/QUOTE] You could at least show me sources on it?

[QUOTE=Swilly;43046130]You could at least show me sources on it?[/QUOTE] You just have to look up the specs of the machines they're sending out. Steambox is not meant to attract people towards PC gaming. It's meant to introduce a PC in the consoles market. A platform that doesn't need to stagnate because you can just upgrade the parts, since you wouldn't be restricted by Sony's or MS hardware design, that is already obsolete. It's a platform where the games won't be held back by the platform. But if you're a PC Gamer, the Gamepad may be attractive to you. Or maybe the Gaming optimized OS. That's what they add to the PC gaming. Also, a SteamBox was announced for 500 dollars. If you consider steam's library, it's really easy to see that they're already ahead of their competidors.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43046371]You just have to look up the specs of the machines they're sending out. Steambox is not meant to attract people towards PC gaming. It's meant to introduce a PC in the consoles market. A platform that doesn't need to stagnate because you can just upgrade the parts, since you wouldn't be restricted by Sony's or MS hardware design, that is already obsolete. It's a platform where the games won't be held back by the platform. But if you're a PC Gamer, the Gamepad may be attractive to you. Or maybe the Gaming optimized OS. That's what they add to the PC gaming. Also, a SteamBox was announced for 500 dollars. If you consider steam's library, it's really easy to see that they're already ahead of their competidors.[/QUOTE] So I wasn't wrong at all, you just disagree with my points, and its cool they have the initial specs out but are they different from normal computer parts? How easy would it be to upgrade? Are they hacked up and downgrades smaller video cards like many laptops have?

[QUOTE=Swilly;43046439]So I wasn't wrong at all, you just disagree with my points, and its cool they have the initial specs out but are they different from normal computer parts? How easy would it be to upgrade? Are they hacked up and downgrades smaller video cards like many laptops have?[/QUOTE] Well it has to be the hardware they say it is, otherwise you defeat the purpose of proving that it's a viable comercial product. Laptop versions of the cards have indications in their names (I think it's M) and I have yet to see a laptop that has a Titan. And they're cards, it's just slot in and connect to the PSU and there's really one type of plug on your PSU that will fit a GPU power socket. CPU might be harder for those who doesn't know, but there isn't much mistery on that either.

[QUOTE=Swilly;43046439]So I wasn't wrong at all, you just disagree with my points, and its cool they have the initial specs out but are they different from normal computer parts? How easy would it be to upgrade? Are they hacked up and downgrades smaller video cards like many laptops have?[/QUOTE] The Steam Machine prototypes go up to GTX Titans and the [url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-27-ibuypowers-steam-machine-priced-at-USD499]iBuyPower machine will have an R9 270[/url].

[QUOTE=danharibo;43047653]The Steam Machine prototypes go up to GTX Titans and the [url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-27-ibuypowers-steam-machine-priced-at-USD499]iBuyPower machine will have an R9 270[/url].[/QUOTE] My next question is then, why not just buy a prebuilt tower? Why does it have to be a steam machine?

[QUOTE=Swilly;43048085]My next question is then, why not just buy a prebuilt tower? Why does it have to be a steam machine?[/QUOTE] Because they come in flat boxes instead of towers? Because they run an OS designed for TV instead of your desk? Little issues like that are why people don't do this more often. As far as I know the only kind of computer you can get in that form factor is the Alienware X51.

[QUOTE=Ehmmett;43051029] That's the thing, it doesn't.. It can be a prebuilt tower. The only reason to buy a steam machine is if you like how the box looks, or don't care to put together your own.[/QUOTE] The only reason I would buy a steam machine would be for the Form factor, a little box with lots of Ponies under the hood would be pretty neat. Still waiting to see what the price points are going to be at though.

[QUOTE=Del91;43053398]The only reason I would buy a steam machine would be for the Form factor, a little box with lots of Ponies under the hood would be pretty neat. Still waiting to see what the price points are going to be at though.[/QUOTE] There was one announced already for $499 with an R9 270.

Don't get me wrong, building a PC is easy but It would be 10x better if you could just slot in components like a cube with no cables, no screws. Would be so easy changing CPU / GFX card etc.

[QUOTE=xianlee;43054535]Don't get me wrong, building a PC is easy but It would be 10x better if you could just slot in components like a cube with no cables, no screws. Would be so easy changing CPU / GFX card etc.[/QUOTE] Complexity add to level of customization you can have.

[QUOTE=xianlee;43054535]Don't get me wrong, building a PC is easy but It would be 10x better if you could just slot in components like a cube with no cables, no screws. Would be so easy changing CPU / GFX card etc.[/QUOTE] I could have sworn garry made a blog post about a computer exactly like that once. [url]http://garry.tv/2012/12/28/pc-hardware-design-sucks/[/url]

[QUOTE=Leintharien;43029663]I was building my computer just last night and I almost did this. While I was plugging in the wires my case's power buttons, it turned out one of them is supposed to go in backwards because of the way two of the pins were arranged. I was about to turn my computer on with the positive wire on the negative pin, etc. It is a good thing I really studied my motherboard's manual and didn't follow those install videos (that were built into the manual via qr code) to the dot. I felt like a mad scientist when I turned my tower on. I was really reluctant when pushing the power button and starting it up, for fear I messed up something else, but the thing whirred to life, much to my satisfaction. Most importantly, there was no arcing electricity, no loud noises, [B]no smells[/B], and no fire. This spells success. Now I am finally ready to install the OS via a USB that I just finished formatting right now. I had intended to use my old optical drive to install but that uses a ribbon cable and my new motherboard only wants SATA.[/QUOTE] There should be a smell, a smell of fresh electronics running.