Is Steam too powerful? Indie devs consider Valve’s dominant position - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Conna;50117511]People are so funny.[/QUOTE] offtopic: your name rang a bell and I realized you're the reason we can't have nice things (buy titles) on FP anymore.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50111686]Valve changed a lot in half a decade (Just after Portal 2 was released) from an benevolent business to both developers and customers to a business as usual corporation[/QUOTE] They were already on this road well before 5 years ago, you were just too busy defending them at any and every opportunity to be objective about it. Welcome to the larger world of interactive entertainment where your imagined 35 year old crazy indie devs are actually 50+ year old software management tycoons who very much do not care an ass about the individual customer or spending hours doing research themselves to get at any problem sorted out and build a roadmap for people to fix it. Pretty certain the ratio of people "managing this experimental ______" to "actually making a piece of entertainment" is very nearly one to one, which is batshit by anyone's standards. Nearly anything they've made in the last decade has been by in-hire. That's not being inclusive and adoptive, that's burning out on the industry you helped make big.

I absolutely hate the people that have this idea that, because a company is financially successful, they aren't doing anything wrong at all. That no one should be complaining when they are the most popular service. They're worse than the diehard fans of valve that defend their flaws. At least they know there are problems with them, they just don't care as much. They don't objectively say 'nah, doesn't count because they're successful.'

I like Steam. As long as it continues to exist I have no problems with it. The only real problem I have with Steam and all other digital platforms is that if they ever disappear that'll be a massive amount of games just fucking gone, boxed copies or not. Also in Finland games are cheaper boxed than from steam. I can save at least 10€ on new or new-ish games if I go to a retailer and get a steam code from a boxed copy. So you can get the game, a box, a manual and maybe a poster for less money.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;50119418]I absolutely hate the people that have this idea that, because a company is financially successful, they aren't doing anything wrong at all. That no one should be complaining when they are the most popular service. They're worse than the diehard fans of valve that defend their flaws. At least they know there are problems with them, they just don't care as much. They don't objectively say 'nah, doesn't count because they're successful.'[/QUOTE] Valve does some really immoral shit the paid mods deal was worse than even EA/Ubisofts worst DLC practices. It makes Mr. Krabs look like Bill Gates. the lack of communication is more a sly PR move than anything. People twist words so if they don't talk nothing happens... except.... that's actually just worse. At least they don't insult their customers like Ubisofts PR team. The paid aesthetic stuff in their games is, I mean, I don't disagree with it. IT doesn't affect the game after all, but is a sign of a taste for money. I kind of like hats actually. Greenlight is a sign of valve being purely incompetent and has 0 quality control period. The only things they delete are things that could cause legal issues.

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;50119267]offtopic: your name rang a bell and I realized you're the reason we can't have nice things (buy titles) on FP anymore.[/QUOTE] Heh heh heh, it wasn't just me ;)

I think a lot of Valve's problems originate that their staff can work on whatever they want, and because of that, there's less emphasis on hiring staff for one thing, support. They are by no means a large company, and stuff only moves forward in that company if the employees want it to, which mostly behind the scenes work we don't see for years on end.

[QUOTE=Conna;50119601]Heh heh heh, it wasn't just me ;)[/QUOTE] We still hate you. Valve's dead. You can really feel it in their current business model. Do people even visit their offices anymore? Are people even allowed to visit their offices anymore? Their tech support is beaten by EA, Their current revenue streams are almost entirely a microtransaction system. Steam is currently an insecure mess. Development on all but three games (Dota2, TF2 and CS:GO) as either stalled or essentially stopped and some of their most accredited games are either languishing because they have not been updated in years, they were updated but in the process the game was broken (Deathmatch: Source ;_;7) or as far as we can tell you ended the arc on a cliffhanger, then abandoned an episodic model and told everyone almost TEN YEARS AGO that we'll know more when it's ready. Fuck you, Gabe. I hope on our way to that bakery down the street you're flattened by some guy who jumps the curb. This is what you've done to us. I would of never of though I'd be so bitter about where you went.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50123042]I think a lot of Valve's problems originate that their staff can work on whatever they want, and because of that, there's less emphasis on hiring staff for one thing, support. They are by no means a large company, and stuff only moves forward in that company if the employees want it to, which mostly behind the scenes work we don't see for years on end.[/QUOTE] And the stuff that the employees are working on appear to be absolutely nothing. I would be amazed if there is even a new game being worked on at this rate. The only things that Valve looks like doing are to keep the cash cows of TF2/CSGO/DOTA2 rolling with tat, create steam boxes with expensive VR and not focus on fixing serious issues within their current games and store system. Hell, even most of the content any more for all the cashcows aren't even made by the employees anymore. They ask the community to make it, submit it, then charge to community to get what was created. The employees are at an all time low for actual game work as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE=pentium;50123097] Fuck you, Gabe. I hope on our way to that bakery down the street you're flattened by some guy who jumps the curb. This is what you've done to us. I would of never of though I'd be so bitter about where you went.[/QUOTE] what the fuck calm down [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] Gabe isn't the only person of Valve and because of its structure he's really only a voice and planner

[QUOTE=pentium;50123097] Fuck you, Gabe. I hope on our way to that bakery down the street you're flattened by some guy who jumps the curb. This is what you've done to us. I would of never of though I'd be so bitter about where you went.[/QUOTE] What the hell dude? It's not like Gabe went "Ehehehehe, Pentium will sure love this shit" and just ruined your games personally or something. Calm down.