[QUOTE=Stopper;31045788]Maybe you should [I]try [/I]first.[/QUOTE]
I have, I used to play halo lan games on xbox all the time and I would always get my ass kicked but when it came out on PC suddenly I was topping the charts
maybe it's just I'm used to keyboard and mouse and console gamers would have trouble on PC but I don't know
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;31045997]I have, I used to play halo lan games on xbox all the time and I would always get my ass kicked but when it came out on PC suddenly I was topping the charts
maybe it's just I'm used to keyboard and mouse and console gamers would have trouble on PC but I don't know[/QUOTE]
Maybe you're just a lousy player then, I don't know.
[QUOTE=Stopper;31046058]Maybe you're just a lousy player then, I don't know.[/QUOTE]
The key words are "You don't know."
PCs were always better.
PC's may be better performance/hardware wise, but I see a lot more innovative games being released on consoles than pc, LBP and such.
Why are PC Gamers always on the defensive about their platform? It's not like PC Gaming is going to die just because the consoles are extremely popular these days.
imho I like gamers who can see good games on both platforms - PC and console - because I feel like they're more level-headed about the situation. Both platforms do certain genres better.
[QUOTE=Sharker;31046537]PC's may be better performance/hardware wise, but I see a lot more innovative games being released on consoles than pc, LBP and such.[/QUOTE]
Indie games. There are a lot.
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046605]Why are PC Gamers always on the defensive about their platform? It's not like PC Gaming is going to die just because the consoles are extremely popular these days.
imho I like gamers who can see good games on both platforms - PC and console - because I feel like they're more level-headed about the situation. Both platforms do certain genres better.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the article?
[QUOTE=Nikota;31046620]Indie games. There are a lot.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but on consoles big names are actually encouraged to be innovative as well. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a big-time PC dev push out something like LBP or Heavy Rain exclusively for PC?
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nikota;31046620]Did you even read the article?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm just stating a fact that I know to be true: PC Gamers get defensive about it. Either hyperdefensive like the article (PC is superior!) or put up their dukes about stupid shit (is this the end of PC gaming? Damn those consoles!).
[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;31045657]All right, sure I might've fallen for that guy but the point still stands.[/QUOTE]
No, since it's bad on both sides.
Grow up.
[QUOTE=keroba;31045664]so are they doing their office work on the console as well?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/rxFwu.jpg[/img]
oh look Excel for kinect![/QUOTE]
For half a second I though "Is EVE Online coming to Xbox360??"
And then I felt stupid.
Consoles and PC's are the same thing with different software installed.
People just like to defend their "lot" at every opportunity causing unnecessary arguments.
In fact, lock any cross section of people in a room and sooner or later they will find something to argue about no mater how little. Most commonly it's their taste in music.
Lets see. Big pc Dev. There's the plentiful of strategy titles. Tons of innovation in those depending on which one. Anything made by Tripwire. Anything made by 1C or paradox. I count Metro 2033 since it's half assed on console.
Then there's Telltale which just makes their stuff for everything.
If you're looking at consoles for where big companies are you need to define big. The reason PC gamers mostly get bitchy about it is the fact that age is slowing down progression.
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
But yeah. You need to get a definition of 'big time pc dev'.
Since any big time one is pushing out new innovative crap every year.
[QUOTE=Nikota;31046790]Lets see. Big pc Dev. There's the plentiful of strategy titles. Tons of innovation in those depending on which one. Anything made by Tripwire. Anything made by 1C or paradox. I count Metro 2033 since it's half assed on console.
Then there's Telltale which just makes their stuff for everything.
If you're looking at consoles for where big companies are you need to define big. The reason PC gamers mostly get bitchy about it is the fact that age is slowing down progression.
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
But yeah. You need to get a definition of 'big time pc dev'.
Since any big time one is pushing out new innovative crap every year.[/QUOTE]
Tripwire is obviously indie, so is Paradox and 1C. I'm talking big financially, not popular or "pushes out a lot of games." Like Valve. And, from the way I see it, Valve is the only PC dev who really tries to push out innovative video games on the PC.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046637]Yeah, but on consoles big names are actually encouraged to be innovative as well. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a big-time PC dev push out something like LBP or Heavy Rain exclusively for PC?
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
Yes, I'm just stating a fact that I know to be true: PC Gamers get defensive about it. Either hyperdefensive like the article (PC is superior!) or put up their dukes about stupid shit (is this the end of PC gaming? Damn those consoles!).[/QUOTE]
PC Games are innovative in their own ways. However, you make it hard to list anything because you say big time PC dev, of which there is, well, only two, and exclusively for PC, which is well, practically non-existent in conjunction with big devs.
A lot of PC only developers are indie. The money is in consoles mostly, so developers go towards that. That's fine, that makes business sense. It does mean innovation as a whole is certainly slowed down. Sure, games like LBP and Heavy Rain do come out, but imagine what could be made if technology was pushed out quicker and actually taken advantage of. You could make a game like Shadow of the Colossus but 500x better at 120+ FPS with even crazier stuff. Or LBP with even more possibilities and junk.
Console gamers get defensive too, don't be biased. It's human nature to defend stuff you like.
[quote=Thisguy123]Consoles and PC's are the same thing with different software installed.[/quote]
I think I just lost some brain cells.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;31046777]Consoles and PC's are the same thing with different software installed.
People just like to defend their "lot" at every opportunity causing unnecessary arguments.
In fact, lock any cross section of people in a room and sooner or later they will find something to argue about no mater how little. Most commonly it's their taste in music.[/QUOTE]
"Oasis or Blur?"
I disagree, consoles and PC's are not the same thing. The only good thing I think consoles do for gaming is optimisation really.
Wow how is it so hard to understand for so many people?
Oh wait right, they never tried for more than 30 minutes. (Aimed at the "How to play FPS games on box" people)
Seriously guys.. I've been playing games such as CSS and HL2:DM etc. for over 6 years straight (School days) on the PC. Then I slowly started beeing more busy since I was searching for work and now I got an full-time job which pretty much explains why I enjoy playing the box more than my PC. I got an 42 inch flat TV, no hardware problems, no installations on the xbox, just drop in -have fun- drop out and go on with other things, quick, enjoying and effective! Yes I play Call of Duty and yes I do not rage since it's a game which I also nearly always play with friends over headset.
The point on all this xbox playing is that it's quick and bound to very small to no problems. Headset/Party system is quick and effective without setting it up it works perfect and clear. (one of the many examples)
I also use my PC! But for other reasons (cause I am a very busy person, sadly) for making music (little studio around my PC), reading and also working on documents. [U][B]But I stopped playing PC games since all the enjoyment fades away alot of times for me during the process of "setting up" everything that I need to have to have the enjoyment.[/B][/U]
To everyone with really good knowledge and almost no "setting up" time for everything you do on the PC, no hardware issues, best things in the PC and all that you need to be set up for enjoyment:
[B]Good work, you don't need a Console to have fun![/B]
I hope someone reads this and may think about it this way.
To all elitists: Fuck off really you just push everything in a bad light! If it's PC gaming or Console gaming! Holy shit people didn't you realize that it's all about fun? happyness? Everything in todays society is driven by competition! Fuck this system.
[QUOTE=Ranik;31046827]
A lot of PC only developers are indie. The money is in consoles mostly, so developers go towards that. That's fine, that makes business sense. It does mean innovation as a whole is certainly slowed down. Sure, games like LBP and Heavy Rain do come out, but imagine what could be made if technology was pushed out quicker and actually taken advantage of. You could make a game like Shadow of the Colossus but 500x better at 120+ FPS with even crazier stuff. Or LBP with even more possibilities and junk.
Console gamers get defensive too, don't be biased. It's human nature to defend stuff you like.[/QUOTE]
If devs took advantage of faster technology though, imagine how many people would be left behind? PC Gaming is an expensive hobby; say what you want about console hardware, but it allows literally millions of people to make one expensive down payment and play about 5 - 7 years' worth of games without making another. Even though you can argue that getting better hardware on the PC has slowed down in the past few years, you still need to update or at least futureproof if you want to keep up - and that can be quite expensive, depending on how you aim to futureproof or how savvy you are/aren't. Consoles just allow more people who have less money and less technological knowhow to experience the medium, which is good, because that means more exposure and thus more popularity and publicity, and more developmental interest. You can turn on a button and pop in a CD, and you can pretty much play anything you want.
Console gamers do get defensive too, but PC Gamers seem to act like consoles being popular is the End of the World, which steams me. And then you get all of this ignorant crap thrown in about Call of Duty, and it just becomes a tangled mess.
[QUOTE=Darkslicer;31046906]Wow how is it so hard to understand for so many people?
Oh wait right, they never tried for more than 30 minutes. (Aimed at the "How to play FPS games on box" people)
Seriously guys.. I've been playing games such as CSS and HL2:DM etc. for over 6 years straight (School days) on the PC. Then I slowly started beeing more busy since I was searching for work and now I got an full-time job which pretty much explains why I enjoy playing the box more than my PC. I got an 42 inch flat TV, no hardware problems, no installations on the xbox, just drop in -have fun- drop out and go on with other things, quick, enjoying and effective! Yes I play Call of Duty and yes I do not rage since it's a game which I also nearly always play with friends over headset.
The point on all this xbox playing is that it's quick and bound to very small to no problems. Headset/Party system is quick and effective without setting it up it works perfect and clear. (one of the many examples)
I also use my PC! But for other reasons (cause I am a very busy person, sadly) for making music (little studio around my PC), reading and also working on documents. [U][B]But I stopped playing PC games since all the enjoyment fades away alot of times for me during the process of "setting up" everything that I need to have to have the enjoyment.[/B][/U]
To everyone with really good knowledge and almost no "setting up" time for everything you do on the PC, no hardware issues, best things in the PC and all that you need to be set up for enjoyment:
[B]Good work, you don't need a Console to have fun![/B]
I hope someone reads this and may think about it this way.
To all elitists: Fuck off really you just push everything in a bad light! If it's PC gaming or Console gaming! Holy shit people didn't you realize that it's all about fun? happyness? Everything in todays society is driven by competition! Fuck this system.[/QUOTE]
What does this even have to do with anything.
A mouse and keyboard being superior in control to a controller is basically a fact that can be backed up by gameplay videos, the fact controllers need a ton of assist mechanisms, tests, and how companies have reacted to each control method put together.
People saying that doesn't make them elitist. Saying a fact doesn't make you an elitist. It also doesn't mean that a PC is better than a Console, and very few people have actually said that in here.
You pretty much have to come to terms with the fact that certain things do certain things better than other things. Life has always been a competition, especially when we're talking about something dealing with the economy here - the very thing capitalism thrives and works on is competition. Without it, you have a monopoly, which never does the consumer any good.
However, something being functionally superior in some way doesn't make it better, because consoles do have advantages themselves when it comes to tech, that a lot of my fellow PC games like to ignore/don't recognize.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046927]If devs took advantage of faster technology though, imagine how many people would be left behind? PC Gaming is an expensive hobby; say what you want about console hardware, but it allows literally millions of people to make one expensive down payment and play about 5 - 7 years' worth of games without making another. Even though you can argue that getting better hardware on the PC has slowed down in the past few years, you still need to update or at least futureproof if you want to keep up - and that can be quite expensive, depending on how you aim to futureproof or how savvy you are/aren't. Consoles just allow more people who have less money and less technological knowhow to experience the medium, which is good, because that means more exposure and thus more popularity and publicity, and more developmental interest. You can turn on a button and pop in a CD, and you can pretty much play anything you want.
Console gamers do get defensive too, but PC Gamers seem to act like consoles being popular is the End of the World, which steams me. And then you get all of this ignorant crap thrown in about Call of Duty, and it just becomes a tangled mess.[/QUOTE]
PC gaming is not an expensive hobby. I really have no idea where this myth was perpetuated but it's dumb as hell. PC Gaming, as a whole, is by far much cheaper than console gaming.
[QUOTE=Darkslicer;31046906]Wow how is it so hard to understand for so many people?
Oh wait right, they never tried for more than 30 minutes. (Aimed at the "How to play FPS games on box" people)
Seriously guys.. I've been playing games such as CSS and HL2:DM etc. for over 6 years straight (School days) on the PC. Then I slowly started beeing more busy since I was searching for work and now I got an full-time job which pretty much explains why I enjoy playing the box more than my PC. I got an 42 inch flat TV, no hardware problems, no installations on the xbox, just drop in -have fun- drop out and go on with other things, quick, enjoying and effective! Yes I play Call of Duty and yes I do not rage since it's a game which I also nearly always play with friends over headset.
The point on all this xbox playing is that it's quick and bound to very small to no problems. Headset/Party system is quick and effective without setting it up it works perfect and clear. (one of the many examples)
I also use my PC! But for other reasons (cause I am a very busy person, sadly) for making music (little studio around my PC), reading and also working on documents. [U][B]But I stopped playing PC games since all the enjoyment fades away alot of times for me during the process of "setting up" everything that I need to have to have the enjoyment.[/B][/U]
To everyone with really good knowledge and almost no "setting up" time for everything you do on the PC, no hardware issues, best things in the PC and all that you need to be set up for enjoyment:
[B]Good work, you don't need a Console to have fun![/B]
I hope someone reads this and may think about it this way.
To all elitists: Fuck off really you just push everything in a bad light! If it's PC gaming or Console gaming! Holy shit people didn't you realize that it's all about fun? happyness? Everything in todays society is driven by competition! Fuck this system.[/QUOTE]
You're acting like whenever I want to play a PC game that I already have installed I have to enter in a 23 digit code and then install new hardware. Why is it such a big deal to have to install things in the first place? Oh god no you may have to leave your PC for 1-2 hours (At most) or leave it running overnight!! Getting into a game on PC is even easier than console. Right click steam, click friends, join game - Boom in a server with friends or I can use the server browser and get into a game in literally seconds.
I agree with you that PC gaming and consoles both have their place, but the first paragraph of your little rant is horribly ignorant.
Someone mentioned a headset.
I am now going to proceed to mention that console VOIP is shit.
Why the fuck is it so shit on xbox if you're paying to use it?
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046824]Tripwire is obviously indie, so is Paradox and 1C. I'm talking big financially, not popular or "pushes out a lot of games." Like Valve. And, from the way I see it, Valve is the only PC dev who really tries to push out innovative video games on the PC.[/QUOTE]
....You don't know what you're talking about.
From your definition there can't be any 'big' pc studios because they dont roll retail.
[QUOTE=Ranik;31046950]People saying that doesn't make them elitist. Saying a fact doesn't make you an elitist. It also doesn't mean that a PC is better than a Console, and very few people have actually said that in here.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that people think of the whole "Oh, x control is better than y," or "Hmm, this hardware x outperforms console's y," takes away from the ability for people to approach both platforms with an open-mind and just simply play. Once you start to define who has the best and what's better, automatically one system just appears superior than the next. Just the fact that one "has to be" superior to the other is elitism, no offense.
what's a server browser
is that like a 10th prestige lobby???
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;31046876]"Oasis or Blur?"[/QUOTE]
Oasis
[QUOTE=Nikota;31046985]....You don't know what you're talking about.
From your definition there can't be any 'big' pc studios because they dont roll retail.[/QUOTE]
Tripwire and Paradox claim themselves indie.
Valve rolls retail.
My definition is someone who financially is big. If you've been following the RO2 newsfeed, you'd know that Tripwire is anything but, regardless of retail or anything.
[QUOTE=nige111;31046984]Someone mentioned a headset.
I am now going to proceed to mention that console VOIP is shit.
Why the fuck is it so shit on xbox if you're paying to use it?[/QUOTE]
I never understood this. Sounds like everybody is talking through a fucking gasmask
[QUOTE=Ranik;31046950]What does this even have to do with anything.
A mouse and keyboard being superior in control to a controller is basically a fact that can be backed up by gameplay videos, the fact controllers need a ton of assist mechanisms, tests, and how companies have reacted to each control method put together.
People saying that doesn't make them elitist. Saying a fact doesn't make you an elitist. It also doesn't mean that a PC is better than a Console, and very few people have actually said that in here.
You pretty much have to come to terms with the fact that certain things do certain things better than other things. Life has always been a competition, especially when we're talking about something dealing with the economy here - the very thing capitalism thrives and works on is competition. Without it, you have a monopoly, which never does the consumer any good.
However, something being functionally superior in some way doesn't make it better, because consoles do have advantages themselves when it comes to tech, that a lot of my fellow PC games like to ignore/don't recognize.
PC gaming is not an expensive hobby. I really have no idea where this myth was perpetuated but it's dumb as hell. PC Gaming, as a whole, is by far much cheaper than console gaming.[/QUOTE]
It may be a fact that it's better but is it fun for everyone on this planet? I really can say that for me, playing FPS games with a Controller is tons more fun than with Mouse and Keyboard. I just can't explain it, it feels better for me and that's what counts and brings enjoyment.
You could give me a possibility to play with a mouse and keyboard on the xbox.. I would reject that, there would be all fun lost suddenly for me. It took time for me but I started hating playing games with mouse and keyboard.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046998]Tripwire and Paradox claim themselves indie.
Valve rolls retail.[/QUOTE]
I've seen tripwire games retail
Unless that was another game I was thinking of, I'm sure I saw Killing Floor in a game store near me
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046998]Tripwire and Paradox claim themselves indie.
Valve rolls retail.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that Tripwire and Paradox are their own publisher and have released titles retail.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046988]The problem is that people think of the whole "Oh, x control is better than y," or "Hmm, this hardware x outperforms console's y," takes away from the ability for people to approach both platforms with an open-mind and just simply play. Once you start to define who has the best and what's better, automatically one system just appears superior than the next. Just the fact that one "has to be" superior to the other is elitism, no offense.[/QUOTE]
Er, no it isn't elitism. This is really how the real world (and people) work. Literally the entire way our US economy works and thrives is by competition and comparisons.
It's also only one aspect in comparison. Both things have things they excel at, both technologically & service & game wise. If people think "PC has better controls for FPS games so it's better" that's just them being dumb.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31046824]Tripwire is obviously indie, so is Paradox and 1C. I'm talking big financially, not popular or "pushes out a lot of games." Like Valve. And, from the way I see it, Valve is the only PC dev who really tries to push out innovative video games on the PC.[/QUOTE]
Did you know, my friend, that Valve is an Indie developer? And that 1C is not a developer and therefore is not Indie?
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