1C has an in house dev team though. They're working on Men of War vietnam at the moment.
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
So really the real term is. Online publisher.
Huh, how did that guy in the video hook up a mouse and keyboard to the 360? I actually wanna try that now.
[QUOTE=Nikota;31047041]1C has an in house dev team though. They're working on Men of War vietnam at the moment.
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
So really the real term is. Online publisher.[/QUOTE]
Ah, my bad then.
In that case they're an Indie developer and a publisher (and a localizator for that matter).
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;31047059]Huh, how did that guy in the video hook up a mouse and keyboard to the 360? I actually wanna try that now.[/QUOTE]
USB...You know the things all modern electronics use.
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;31047061]Ah, my bad then.
In that case they're an Indie developer and a publisher (and a localizator for that matter).[/QUOTE]
Yeah. It's similar to how Tripwire and Paradox operate.
[QUOTE=The very best;31046983]You're acting like whenever I want to play a PC game that I already have installed I have to enter in a 23 digit code and then install new hardware. Why is it such a big deal to have to install things in the first place? Oh god no you may have to leave your PC for 1-2 hours (At most) or leave it running overnight!! Getting into a game on PC is even easier than console. Right click steam, click friends, join game - Boom in a server with friends or I can use the server browser and get into a game in literally seconds.
I agree with you that PC gaming and consoles both have their place, but the first paragraph of your little rant is horribly ignorant.[/QUOTE]
No really dude you didn't understand what I was trying to say.
I am acting like I need to install teamspeak, set it up having errors on my system even when it's fresh, having the damn money and the most important part of it: [B]Time[/B]
Installing things is easy, you just searched for something that does not make sense in relation to my post and keep bashing on that. Throw your eyes at the big picture please, I just said how I feel when I want to enjoy playing PC games with my little time that I have. I wanted to open someones thinking not to convert them to "this is better because this" it's all about suitableness, really.
Nikota, that still wouldn't address the key-bindings and the such. Unless It would automatically bind. Would that work?
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;31047085]Nikota, that still wouldn't address the key-bindings and the such. Unless It would automatically bind. Would that work?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the game or what type of thing it is. I've seen some stuff where you bind the things to the keyboard via software on pc. Then use it on console I think. It's in one of the few thousand Classic Game room reviews.
Okay, just to clear up what my definition of indie is:
Financially small, most likely publishes their own games, does little retail work and has few connection to big-time.
May push out unique and innovative games.
[QUOTE=The very best;31047013]I've seen tripwire games retail
Unless that was another game I was thinking of, I'm sure I saw Killing Floor in a game store near me[/QUOTE]
I know KF and RO have been retail, and they're planning for that for RO2, but it isn't widespread. Best Buy had 1 copy of KF retail, in all my years going on-and-off to the store :v:.
[quote]You do realize that Tripwire and Paradox are their own publisher and have released titles retail. [/quote]
See above. You are honestly mistaken if you think Tripwire and Paradox aren't indie, when Tripwire has personally claimed themselves to be, and Paradox's existence has only been kept afloat by Steam. Being your own publisher is nearly the definition of indie too. Compared to companies like Respawn Entertainment, which claim to be "indie" but really have EA backing them.
[quote]Er, no it isn't elitism. This is really how the real world (and people) work. Literally the entire way our US economy works and thrives is by competition and comparisons.
It's also only one aspect in comparison. Both things have things they excel at, both technologically & service & game wise. If people think "PC has better controls for FPS games so it's better" that's just them being dumb. [/quote]
Well, that's true. What I'm trying to say, though, is that some gamers start to pigeonhole the consoles or PC and it snowballs to the point where one seems obviously better than the other. I nearly stopped playing consoles because consoles had bad FPS console controls (for me personally) and I didn't feel like playing anything else. My dad refuses to play PC games because he still prefers the quality of his favorite games way back on PS1 over PC.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;31047085]Nikota, that still wouldn't address the key-bindings and the such. Unless It would automatically bind. Would that work?[/QUOTE]
I found one thing similar to what I was talking about. For ps3 though.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdcdetXToaE[/media]
[QUOTE=Darkslicer;31047071]No really dude you didn't understand what I was trying to say.
I am acting like I need to install teamspeak, set it up having errors on my system even when it's fresh, having the damn money and the most important part of it: [B]Time[/B]
Installing things is easy, you just searched for something that does not make sense in relation to my post and keep bashing on that. Throw your eyes at the big picture please, I just said how I feel when I want to enjoy playing PC games with my little time that I have. I wanted to open someones thinking not to convert them to "this is better because this" it's all about suitableness, really.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about 2 different things here.
You're talking about a platform being better suited for your needs (which I can respect) while we're talking about a platform having a better hardware (software, etc), those 2 things have absolutely nothing in common.
[quote]Well, that's true. What I'm trying to say, though, is that some gamers start to pigeonhole the consoles or PC and it snowballs to the point where one seems obviously better than the other. I nearly stopped playing consoles because consoles had bad FPS console controls (for me personally) and I didn't feel like playing anything else. My dad refuses to play PC games because he still prefers the quality of his favorite games way back on PS1 over PC. [/quote]
People are dumb.
Real world 101.
[quote]Huh, how did that guy in the video hook up a mouse and keyboard to the 360? I actually wanna try that now. [/quote]
Short story is it basically takes mouse movement & keyboard presses and tricks the console into thinking it's a 360 controller.
It still has limits tho, ie aim is still limited by controller limits (can't turn too fast or it doesn't work in CoD for example) and you are still limited by buttons, like in CoD you can't have a separate crouch & prone key like on PC.
But it mostly works peachy, having mouse aim with all the aim assist of a controller is lols.
Damn, I was kinda hoping to just plug this in and use it :v:
don't call my dad dumb :(
Another thing I want to clarify here.
Indie stands for Independent. Indie Developer is [B]NOT[/B] the same as a "bedroom" developer, it doesn't mean that a developer has low budget/no publishing capability/etc. it just means that a developer doesn't have a Publisher breathing down his neck.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;31047141]Damn, I was kinda hoping to just plug this in and use it :v:[/QUOTE]
If you get the XIM3 for XB360 (whats in the vid I linked), it's pretty much that easy. You just plug in something to connect it to your console, then plug in a wired 360 controller and your USB Keyboard & Mouse. Then boom, it works.
Then just replace indie with bedroom, because that's what I meant in the first damn place :v:.
The titles are becoming somewhat interchangeable tbqh though. Tripwire considers themselves indie, even though they have a publishing deal for RO2 and they sure as hell did for RO1; that said, Tripwire and Paradox do publish their own games. Dwarfs is considered an indie game, and is published by an indie publisher (Tripwire), but comes from another dev altogether.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;31047114]We're talking about 2 different things here.
You're talking about a platform being better suited for your needs (which I can respect) while we're talking about a platform having a better hardware (software, etc), those 2 things have absolutely nothing in common.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I derailed a little bit.
I'm going to stop posting about this subject now.
The ideal platform for gamers that gets everyone the best stuff would be something that takes the best parts of a PC and the best parts of a console and gets rid of all the shitty stuff.
Dream platform would be cheap pre-built small *GOOD* PCs (pre-builts currently SUCK) with a completely reworked design on existing APIs that allows developers to also code on the metal. This would make developing for a PC more similar to a console and lead to less craziness for them. The unique ways to play (Wii motions etc) are slowly being integrated into PC as well so that's less of an issue. A rework on APIs and such (and better pre-built PCs) would also make it easier to setup and play games without as much hassle sometimes.
You'd have all the easiness of developing for a console with the cheapness of PC as a hobby, digital sales which are on the whole cheaper (see: Steam sale), dedicated servers & modding to extend shelf life & value of games, M&K with option of joy pad, and a platform that is not ran by anybody so developers don't have to charge you for DLC just because Microsoft says so or says they can only do 2 updates every 2 months.
I played more pc games then console, and i really never understood how pc gamers couldnt ever use console system to their advantage. I feel like im better at pc, but i do just as well at console, my reflexes from alot of pc games come into play, and are usually alot better then the people on console. And I prefer to use the highest sensitivity w console games.
I used to play some halo and then go back on my pc and go play some cs or quake, I do agree pc are faster paced games. But thats what makes console games so much easier for pc gamers to play with our faster responses.
[QUOTE=myalt22;31045349]You don't see console gamers slinging shit about the PC community.[/QUOTE]
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! I am sorry, what did you just say?
The console gamers are built up of 3-18 year old whiny bitches that think pcs are 90% made out of 2002 hardware or older so their xbox is "superior" etc etc.
Example of majority of consolegamers:
[img]http://i.cubeupload.com/r82beL.png[/img]
Other example of another youtube comment:
[QUOTE]No Halo games will likely ever be on the PC, The first reason is because it's so easy* to pirate the game and 343 Industries could lose thousands of dollars on that alone. Second is because the games now are so complex that most computers can't handle them anymore.[/QUOTE]
I was unaware consoles were ever ahead of PCs, unless of course we are comparing current gen console tech to the average PC in the middle ages.
The PC is superior in terms of technological advancement. However, it is generally a single-player experience (or solely online multiplayer without split screen) because of the mouse and keyboard setup (excluding LAN parties.) Consoles, while certainly more limited both graphically and in terms of user freedom, allow for a more social experience (4 buddies hanging out, talking shit, and playing games on the couch.) The PC vs console debate is arbitrary because they aren't for the same thing at all. I'm a PC gamer myself, but I don't think any less of consoles and appreciate them for what they are when I go over friends' houses and whatnot.
it doesnt matter really whos slinging shit at who if you do it on either party you're a nerd
[QUOTE=wow_player_420;31048518]it doesnt matter really whos slinging shit at who if you do it on either party you're a nerd[/QUOTE]
Is that supposed to be an insult? You might want to work on that grammar and read a dictionary while you're at it.
Mark Rein, VP of Epic
pretty much
[QUOTE=Galago;31048479]The PC is superior in terms of technological advancement. However, it is generally a single-player experience.[/QUOTE]
*cought*WoW*cought*Starcraft 2*cought*TF2*cought*
[QUOTE=myalt22;31045349]It is, but It doesn't stop them using every single cheap shot available.
You don't see console gamers slinging shit about the PC community.
You can rate me all the boxes you want, It won't change the facts.[/QUOTE]
no one's done that, why don't you play the victim when someone;s actually callled you an idiot
like now
you idiot
[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Galago;31048479]The PC is superior in terms of technological advancement. However, it is generally a single-player experience (or solely online multiplayer without split screen) because of the mouse and keyboard setup (excluding LAN parties.) Consoles, while certainly more limited both graphically and in terms of user freedom, allow for a more social experience (4 buddies hanging out, talking shit, and playing games on the couch.) The PC vs console debate is arbitrary because they aren't for the same thing at all. I'm a PC gamer myself, but I don't think any less of consoles and appreciate them for what they are when I go over friends' houses and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
Local multiplayer is where consoles shine; even I prefer it on consoles to PCs. Everything else, no contest.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;31048930]*cought*WoW*cought*Starcraft 2*cought*TF2*cought*[/QUOTE]
Generally speaking you're not playing those games with someone physically next to you though.
And afterall, you only receive a fraction of full communication online without body expression, tone (excluding VOIP), physical contact, etc.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31049437]Generally speaking you're not playing those games with someone physically next to you though.
And afterall, you only receive a fraction of full communication online without body expression, tone (excluding VOIP), physical contact, etc.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make them any less multiplayer though, does it?
Why can't everybody just shut up and have fun with the video game irregardless of the platform? I don't care whether I play on a console or PC. So long as I get to have fun with the games I bought.
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