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I dunno about Hitler being orderly or any of that but I feel like they kind of squandered him, especially after building up the mystery in the previous 2 games.
I get the point you're going for and somewhat agree with you, but you have to remember this is an alternate history where the Nazis only started winning after 1943, and by that time Hitler was incredibly drugged up and definitely starting to deteriorate mentally from the stress. It's not that hard to envision Deathshead and the rest of the Nazi command taking the majority of the power after they discovered the Dat'Yichud artifacts and subsequently started winning the war, letting Hitler continue to reign as more a figurehead. Fast forward to 1961 and Hitler's 72 years old by the time you meet him in game. It's not that hard to imagine that he's likely still addicted to a whole cocktail of drugs, is growing old, and probably does still have the stresses of managing a global empire that time and time again keeps slowly crumbling from the actions of nothing more than a few renegades. However I do think you're right in that portraying Hitler much like Deathshead or Engel, a terrifying villain who is more than happy to smile in your face as they play card games for your life, would have been a lot stronger overall, and would definitely get me excited to play the third game where I finally get to kill a modern MechaHitler... Also what's absurd about Venus isn't that they chose it - Venus is actually a much better place to colonize than Mars because it'd be a hell of a lot easier to make a cloud station on it in the temperature and atmosphere zones that Humans could survive in - it's the amount of time it was constructed in. In TNO in the London Nautica you're shown a slideshow presentation of someone asking for the project to be started, and TNO is set in 1960. Less than one year later however by the events of TNC, the Venus base is not only fully constructed but terraforming operations have begun (which is why you can walk on the surface) and are fully underway. I think both of those things can be once again attributed to the lack of time the Devs had. They wanted to include Venus because they already had the moon base and just had to up the ante, so they compromised a bit on the story to get it in there, and they wanted to include Hitler but didn't have the time to fully flesh him out and so they instead went with a much lazier and much more politically safe portrayal of him being a senile and washed up druggie who's clearly not in charge anymore.
My main complaint with TNO and TNC was that it doesn't have that kind of run and gun badass feel like Doom. If you try to play it that way, you die quickly. Instead, you have to hide in cover and pick people off. It just kills the momentum.
TNO can be played like tis on the highest difficulty without any perks. One of the problems with TNC is it cannot unless you're on normal and never leave it.
But now the problem is that there are no proper villains if Hitler is just a senile old grandpa The New Order had Deathshead that also built up Frau Engel which would become important in TNC. In TNC there are no villains being built up for the next game and Hitler was the only one that could be the final goal of killing, a proper villain. Now it's just like looking forward to killing some vegetable.
Great, yet another videogame franchise I can now safely do without. I love today's gaming industry. To better explain my point of view, after the, shall we say, lackluster experience of The New Colossus (see some of the posts above mine) I, for one, wasn't expecting a sequel with an emphasis on co-op and, by the looks of it, the same tonal issues that plague the previous game (the story being less about "Nazis really were following an abominable ideology which led them to commit countless atrocities" and more about "Having minorities killing Nazis left and right is both cathartic and fun"). One thing that I find incredibly funny is that, upon release, The New Colossus was welcomed by several media outlets as a great return to form, among others, for single player games. Yeah right.
I hope that we'll get some kind of mecha hitler as final boss to rise up the tension, and that's why he looked useless and senile this game. just a gaming theory tho
While TNC had its flaws, I still think it was a great game. This looks like more of the same but with a unique co-op twist, and if it's the same quality/length of The Old Blood then count me in.
TNC sucked cause there were no real boss fights
The Wolfenstein games have almost always had stealth in them. The first two were purely stealth games. Even Wolf3D, which had no stealth, couldn't really be played like Doom because all the enemies have hitscan weapons so you had to duck around corners and through doorways a lot more. Wolfenstein isn't Doom, you shouldn't be trying to play it like Doom.
TNC really bothered me because of one major factor. They released a shooter that had damage indicators that didn't work properly. How does that happen. How does a game get released and you can't even fucking figure out where you're getting shot at.
You do know that Hitler was on meth for the last 5 years of the war, right? He was addled, and insane by the time he killed himself. He wasn't a military genius, or even "clever". He was a fucking moron in all honesty.
The laserkraftwerke was in TNC in one of the timelines (Fergus I think?) but it got a serious downgrade, basically was just a sniper rifle that was very hard to reload. It had a black character and the Nazis and KKK were villains, that was most of the "social justice nonsense" the alt-right was upset about. I also saw some people who thought it was insulting to Hitler to portray him as a drug addled demented old man because for some reason the Anglosphere doesn't seem to generally know that Hitler actually had some serious mental health issues (beyond just the obvious).
Well as i've posted here, i found the portrayal of hitler disappointing as it was basically entirely opposite his actual personality, and was functionally interchangeable with any tin pot dictator, and therefore meaningless. Whereas if they'd based it on who he actually was, you could've had some pretty interesting and insightful scenes there. I don't think anyone's contending that hitler was more than a little unhinged, but if you read his memoirs and stuff that surrounded him (hitler's table talk is an excellent example), you'll find that he was an internally consistant man with a clearly defined M.O. and reasoning. That charicter we saw wasn't hitler. And given that the game is basically about hitler himself, and what 'his world' would look like, (albiet fantasy'd the fuck up) it was a bizzare waste of potential. It's easier to imagine that charicters like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, Mousilini, etc are just rabid animalistic and child like thugs, but they're not (apart from Stalin at least). They were basically regular people who were consumed by terrible but coherent ideas. And they forewent exploring those ideas, and the people it created, when they went with "lol hitler's crying on the floor". What's funny is that elsewhere in the game there were interesting moments like that. Particularly the conversation between two soldiers in that big train depot who were discussing you and your terrorist group, rationalizing their actions, and describing your violence as "people with no morale compasses", which is how the actual nazis parsed the supremecy arguments in the 30's and 40's, describing the untermench as lost and charging the ubermench as the caretakers of all the other races, and to hypothetically benevolently guide/curate them (but not the jews because reasons), which was really well reflected in that little moment in the game, and i really wished they'd done more stuff like that. (It's worth pointing out that the charicter from the first game who went from being a devout nazi but falling out with it after his kid was born with clubfoot was an excellent concept in that regard, they nailed it there) With hindsight, it's easy to forget that people were convinced that nazism/fascism was a good/benevolent idea, in the same way communism/marxist ideas so inexplicably continues to enjoy today. And i feel like that should be more popularly explored, so we can better recognize ideological traps for what they are, terrible bodies of ideas with appealing abstract exteriors. And that was a great oppertunity that was rejected in TNO, just so we could watch hitler roll around on the floor crying for his mommy for some reason.
Hitler was born in 1889, so by the time of TNC he would have been 72, significantly above the average life expectancy for the time (world average was mid 50s, US and UK were pushing the 70 year mark), and as previously mentioned he'd be seeing the effects of almost 20 years of drug abuse catching up to him. For example Oxycodone and Morphine, two of the drugs Hitler was known to be addicted to, can result in hormonal imbalances, hallucinations, and digestive problems; while amphetamine, his other drug of choice, can result in psychosis as a result of long term abuse. And that's all before we take dosage into account, because overdosing on any of those could have even more severe long term damage. All that being said, you're really overstating how damaged they depicted Hitler's mental state as being in, his in game appearance essentially just shows him as being as paranoid as he actually was, but also displaying symptoms of dementia. Also why do you keep bringing up Stalin and Communism? In Wolfenstein's timeline the USSR fell in 45 and it has no relevance to anything here.
The other problem is that BJ doesn't end the coot, despite having a perfectly good chance to do so. Come on, he's won fistfights before and Hitler's escort is... one guard. Not some supersolider either, just a regular low-guard that you've slain dozens of before. Dudes inclusion makes no sense. Why wasn't he so much as mentioned in TNO? Oh, I'll tell you why - because Steelworks didn't want to write Hitler in, as then the Nazis would just be 'hitlers minions' instead of an antagonist in their own right. Okay, well there's the meta reason? Is there a lore reason why he's not mentioned? … No. Hitler comes out of fucking nowhere. The fuck.
They didn't QA test the first game as well as they should have, either. There's a glitch at the beginning of the first post Moonbase level, where if you die in the section immediately after crashing through a window, the weapons don't respawn on the save reload. Which makes the section impossible, because the weapon that spawns RIGHT next to you has a rocket launcher, the only thing that can kill the elite soldier in the room. I was stumbling around for over half an hour trying to figure out what I was doing wrong, before looking up a video walkthrough and realizing the game had fucked up and I would have to start the whole level over.
I seriously hope they replace the 1961 weapons with some proper 80s looking gear, 'cause part of what made TNO and TNC imo is the weapon evolution. You get to see the old 1946 weaponry and then you get to see it evolve into something different.
This is a spin off, not a full sequel, it's not even fully priced, it's only $30 USD. Where did you hear this part?
Hitler did so much meth that he didn't sleep for days on end. When his generals presented him with sound logical battle plans, he often rebuked them and insisted they do exactly what he wanted. By the late 1941 stage of the war, Hitler was already making bad decision, after bad decision, after bad decision. He had people around him that he flat out ignored and didn't listen to because he was the fuhrer, and they weren't. He was thoroughly fucking addled, and was in no way shape or form a "Consistent" leader after the war actually started. Up until 1939, Hitler probably was the person you're describing. BUt as soon as he was in war, and he had pressures on him. He cracked. Stop acting like he was actually what the nazi rhetoric says he was. He wasn't.
They’re on Venus because A, it’s a reference to The Man in the High Castle and B, they hinted at having bases on Venus in TNO
I'm not sure if you know this, but in most FPS games you can use your mouse to adjust the angle your player character is looking in. If you do that in TNC during the scene with Hitler you'll see that in addition to that "one guard" there's multiple super soldiers and one of the giant robots that are used as bosses in other levels of the game. If you attempt to kill Hitler, which you can do, you get immediately gunned down by the most dense collection of enemies in the game. Additionally, TNO and TOB followed something of a convention in FPS games, scattered around their levels were pieces of paper you could read that contained additional background information about the world of the game, among these letters you can find mentions of Hitler giving speeches, presenting awards, there's even a diary entry of a soldier who shook his hand.
Hope this game has local coop/split-screen on PC, so many games lack that on feature on PC and it really sucks
Well that's mildly better, I really only remember one fucking guard. But even so, that's nothing. The game considers two of those fuck-bots an end-game challenge. Why yes, there are bits of lore in the game, and Hitler is mentioned in TOB. But *none* of the little lore bits have *any* mention of Hitler in TNO. None. And I spent … 66 hours? (yowza) on this game. Oh, there's mention of Death's Head and Frau Engele, but Hitler? Doesn't exist within the lore of TNO. He's just not in it.
Berlin, Jul 10, 1946 - The future of humanity is at stake. In a rare interview exclusively for this newspaper, discussing the war effort and the values that make the German race so unique and superior, our beloved Führer delivers his vision for the world after the war. "Make no mistake about it. I want my people to have what is rightfully ours. The English, the Russians and the Americans and all other inferior parasites who breed like vermin will kneel before the master race. This I can promise you. Paris, December 21, 1948 - The largest bomb ever invented was dropped 13 hours ago on New York City, largely decimating Manhattan and killing over 200,000 people. "It's an atomic bomb," said our Great Leader in a radio broadcast speech to the public. "Twenty thousand times more powerful than the biggest bomb ever created before. But more than a bomb, this the beginning of the end for the americans. Washington, December 24, 1948 - Speaking to the American people in the falling snow on Christmas Eve, the President of the United States facing complete obliteration declared the government's total surrender to the Nazis . The announcement comes just days after the atomic bomb was dropped on New York. "This final act of violence may have saved millions of lives that would have resulted from a land invasion of America," said the German leader in a press statement following the announcement. "I applaud the President's speech, a spectacular show was put on by the invading troops parading down the streets of Washington to the roaring sound of German jet fighters passing overhead. Even more spectacular were the massive mechanical beasts known as "Panzerhunden", or "armored dogs", hulking over the crowds. Madrid, October 3, 1957 - The biggest bridge ever built was finally inaugurated yesterday evening in front of a gathered crowd of top Nazi politicians as well as specially invited upstanding citizens in the area. The honor of cutting ribbon went of course to our beloved leader who was flown in from Berlin this morning and held a short but powerful speech afterwards in front of the impressive construction crossing the Gibraltar Strait. "I was moved to tears," said Wilma, a local shop owner. "He has such a way with words." She wasn't the only one moved to tears. Günther Grünwald, head engineer of the project, received a special thanks from our leader. "I am speechless," said Grünwald afterwards. "I don't know what to say." Berlin, October 11, 1960 - Next month, the dynamic four will enter the stage inside the world famous Volkshalle to perform music from their latest album "Das blaue U-boat". Tickets to the show have already been sold out in record time. "It's just phenomenal, the response we've had on this latest album," said the band's manager, Wolfgang Trapper. Die Käfer, who got themselves in trouble last week when they forgot to thank the Führer before starting their concert, has also announced they will star in a new TV-show about the adventures of world famous boy band. Casablanca, November 13, 1960 - A new study conducted by a committee appointed by our beloved Leader has found that the mortality rate in Northern Africa has dropped by 100% since the war ended. The study notes that the change of regimes in the region and the introduction of decent German values has contributed extensively to this phenomenal change. Southern Africa remains a chaotic spawning ground for terrorists and anarchists. That's six mentions or references to Hitler in TNO's newspapers. All quoted in full. As for the killing Hitler thing you're welcome to try, there's actually a secret achievement for killing him, but nobody's been able to do it and live.
I see "German leader", which could be referencing Hitler in all but name. Or it could mean Death's Head. Who is the guy calling the shots in TNO anyways.
There are several articles that do mention Death's Head, almost all of which mention him by his actual name, General Wilhelm Strasse. They literally use Hitler's official title, fuhrer.
I'm illiterate, apparently. In my defense, that's still not referencing Hitler directly as someone else can take the role but now I'm just clutching at straws.
Wait, is that a FBI chopper? So that means the US has regained it's complete sovereignty? How the hell did that happen? The Nazis still own the entire world. As soon as the rebellion gained any traction, the Nazis could've come with another invasion force, and that was it. Especially since the US had no army anymore. One reason I liked these games is that this alternate universe made sense. Now, they aren't even trying.
New Colossus was pretty good it just didn't have the same charm TNO had, and they shoehorned in some weird nazi hunt thing that gated progress. I'm actually surprised they went with a 20 year time skip and a liberated USA because the Nazi's were still pretty in charge following the end of TNC and they still controlled 99% of the planet and the moon and Venus.... so like the USA somehow remaining liberated seemed very unrealistic
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