Original Graphic Novel: *clock-motif built on symbolism, clever framing, and relevant story bites i.e. Dr. Manhattan and the Doomsday Clock that relate to the themes and setting of the book*
This trailer: "TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TI
I'll give it a shot. Hoping it surprises me. Honestly glad they're taking a risk in making it into whatever it has become - as prescient as Watchmen was, it could be cool to take its work and explore new themes with it. Or if its a trainwreck, could be fun to roast marshmellows on the wreck.
At least its not another straight adaptation, imo.
Didn't know
Jeremy irons was playing a older Ozymandias, that's pretty interesting.
to be fair, if you cut out the over the top sex scenes the movie is quite watchable and still holds up (sadly its also what convinced WB to hire him on to do all their DCU stuff)
so are you gonna ask why people dont like it or are you just gonna keep lambasting us for having an opinion
Why does it bother you what the internet has decreed?
You're usually a pretty the level-headed poster but it really seems like you've blown your top over a complete non-issue here. Nothing is going to stop you from enjoying it, just as nothing should stop people from being critical of it.
If his background picture is anything to go by it's case closed, the "franchise" if you can even call it that is too close to his heart.
Sorry not sorry.
Liking something that everyone goes "this is shitty" makes me, personally, feel stupid. I try not to care, but I don't believe anyone alive actually truly doesn't care what other people think at some level.
This was basically my point, but poorly worded and overly emotional.
How much you wanna bet that masked police force is literally referred to as "the Watchmen"?
Reminder that, to this day, this remains the only adaptation of the comic approved of and endorsed by Alan Moore himself:
https://youtu.be/YDDHHrt6l4w
I liked the movie I just don't like seeing a some random script that HBO has hoarded get the Watchmen tag slapped onto it just for publicity.
Watchmen represents a time that is no more and likening cold war anxiety with petty 2019 politics is absolutely tasteless in my opinion. call me a cynic but I know that this show is gonna be politically loaded to a groan inducing degree because if it's just gonna be more cape drama HBO will never hear the end of it.
Why?
Because we don't live under threat of nuclear annihaltion from an opposing power?
We live under plenty of other life destroying threats at very similar, or even worse scales than the Cold War.
Why is it tasteless to compare the two, when little has changed but the shape of the threat in the intervening years?
Actually? That would be worth watching. No chance in Hell that it will be done with any subtility, but exploring Ozymandias reaction to his legacy/crime could be pretty interesting.
Like my parents straight up told me "You can never complain about your place in the world, we lived through the cold war, you don't know what it's like to face nuclear bombing threats". My only reply was "Yeah, but you also don't know what it's like knowing for a fact that when I'm your age, the world will be an unrecognizable ecological disaster almost unfit for life".
A Watchmen focusing on the effects of Climate Change in the background (similar to how the Cold War was in the background of the original Watchmen) would be pretty interesting.
I'd argue that modern civilization getting blitzed out of existence overnight is a much more scary idea. But hey, to each their own most dreaded doomsday scenario.
Are you seriously comparing the ENTIRE graphic novel's symbolism to this less-than-90-seconds trailer that explains almost nothing about the plot of an entire television show?
You can be upset that they're adapting Watchmen in an unconventional and not Alan Moore approved way, but this is awful criticism.
I said would be interesting, as a segue from HumanAbyss' comments.
I'm really just replying to the idea that the Cold War was special. It's not really.
Life wouldn't have been blitzed out even under the most extreme versions of nuclear annihilation. Something would limp along for tens of years at least.
With Climate Change, you're literally going to slowly watch the world die due to inaction before you were born. That's pretty scary, isn't it? Life after climate change will be very relatable to life after a nuclear apocalypse.
It's not a matter of "prefering" a doomsday scenario, it's about looking at their effects in an honest and naked light, and they both suck more than you can fucking imagine so calling a comparison "tasteless" is in my eyes, pretty silly and unfounded.
*raises hand*
This is very much still a thing, just less so.
Given his hatred of comic books, there's not really an adaptation that's ever going to tickle his fancy unless it's utterly contrarian to the point incomprehensibility.
I bring my 5 cents on nuclear winter versus climate change. If you would bother to read my post it should be obvious I don't really care to make a competition of which is worse.
Read again for context. I don't believe for 1 second that this show will have anything to do with climate change. It's gonna be a massive yawn inducing take on our polarized political landscape. Fight me on that if you wanna argue.
Then you're a lucky person but I can't be introspective and think about my own shit, and have 0 fucks about the world to give, that's just being self centered. That's just an impossible position for me, personally.
sorry gonna have to flame.
What I find tasteless is going from looming doom via nuclear winter to our current social political divide. If you can't see that then I'm sorry but you're not worth talking to.
Has nothing to do with being self centered, quite the opposite, and why you think it would be is pretty shallow. I'm empathic and have to literally wall off what other people project on a daily basis. I've simply learned not to give a fuck about other people's itentions towards or for me, and being born of two colors in abject poverty will tend to do that. I've had a crystal clear introduction to the human endeavor and it hasn't gotten any less granular as more 'stuff' has become logistically available, not even kinda.
Being empathic gives a you a pretty detailed window on people's wont and desires, and those who live in a glass full society are either naive or logistically gifted or both, simple as.
Anyway back to the topic and point thereof of Watchmen is an utter deconstruction of the Golden Age by a man who saw it as infantile masturbatory commercialization of the capitalist ideal, particularly for the modern male. What is presented by HBO is as far away from that as to be french 70's existentialist parody.
Sure there ain't enough information given in the trailer, but the talk around the sreies itself from the staff has been utterly political, and the chances for that to be a sum positive for the presented world is pretty low.
and I'm a highly empathetic and sensitive person in general, and have had a life time of people pushing me around for being so. I try not to care what anyone says, but then why would i even engage with anyone, ever, if I don't care what they say?
I don't understand all the hatred for this. I'm a huge fan of Watchmen, and this seems to be a fresh, modern remake of the same themes within the same universe with modern issues. Watchmen was originally written during the Cold War, and now we're undergoing a more subversive, ideological Cold War of our own. I like this take on the Watchmen universe. I'm excited.
I'm honestly not even opposed to a remix of Watchmen to be honest, it's just that, judging from this trailer and all the pre-release info we've gotten so far, this is shaping up to be a watered-down Doomsday Clock without the DC superheroes, and Doomsday Clock is already a super watered-down attempt at aping Watchmen to begin with.
Stuff like "but what if Rorschach's journal caused the Alt-Right???" honestly sounds like the kinda thing you could come up with in a half hour of spitballing ideas on how to "modernize" Watchmen. I'll give it a chance, since Game of Thrones is ending and HBO is included with my cable package, but I don't have high hopes for it considering we're literally zero for however-many when it comes to someone (especially someone who is a self-professed huge fan of Watchmen) trying their hand at adapting/interpreting/re-imagining the source material.
I’ll keep an open mind, but I’m not convinced this is going to be the big thing HBO wants this to be.
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross are doing the soundtrack so at least it’ll be a nice sounding train wreck
He doesn't hate comics, just superheroes
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